Re: [O] Remove Org from Emacs repository?

[Maria Shinoto]

Some thoughts from a beginner:

> > Now that Emacs has had package.el for some years, and Org is
> > installable directly from GNU ELPA, would it be a good idea to remove
> > Org from Emacs's source repository?
Beginners are overwhelmed with the options and traps, to do something 
wrong. It is almost impossible to start with Emacs, despite the good 
documentation. This list helped me out in the beginning, and I am glad.
I started using Emacs without deep technological background and without 
any help around. I started using it because of org-mode, and I was _so_ 
happy that org-mode was included.
"All inclusive" packages are the best for beginners. Download, use as is 
and get used to it. After that, one may start with Elisp and packages.
> I think the fact that this is an issue at all is an indication of a
> shortcoming in Emacs' package-management system. I wish package
> management happened "invisibly" (ie, (package-initialize) happened all
> by itself). Emacs then would come bundled with certain packages -- Org,
> Dired, Gnus, Tramp, etc.
The package manager is not difficult as soon as one has got used to 
Emacs. But it is certainly not a good idea to ask people to use it when 
they start trying Emacs. I am collecting my impressions on my way 
getting used to Emacs and would like to write a short list of ideas to 
make the package manager easier to use, if you like.
Best,
Maria