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Re: Idea for handling timezones
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tomas |
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Re: Idea for handling timezones |
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Sat, 3 Apr 2021 09:56:08 +0200 |
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On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 08:36:06AM +0800, Shironeko wrote:
> On Fri, 2021-04-02 at 13:34 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 07:40:47AM +0000, shironeko wrote:
> >
> > Hm. Just a mumbling from the peanut gallery: isn't the timezone a property
> > of the timestamp itself?
> >
> > Specifying the timezone for the whole file is progress, but imagine the
> > following scenario: I have a big file which is more or less a diary of
> > things which happened, with lots of timestamps thrown in (also LOGBOOK
> > entries).
> >
> > If I move through timezones, only some of the timestamps are "elsewhere".
> >
>
> There are separate hacks for that, see
> https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/13463/specify-timezone-in-org-date-format
Thanks for the pointer [1].
Yes, Org is a bit scared to touch time format, and in a way, I do
understand that.
I'm unhappy myself with Org timestamps, but given how conflict-laden
the topic is, I opted for keeping my local hacks and dealing with
some fallout on version changes. Not optimal, but I haven't better
ideas myself currently.
> > Switching "the whole file" to reflect the "current" timezone [...]
> This is why timezones need to be specified in the tz database format, it does
> all the right things and makes sure the converted timestamp corresponds to the
> same instant.
I don't understand what you mean by "the tz database format" in this
context. What I meant is the '%z' information (e.g. -0400) instead
of (or in addition to) the '%Z' one (e.g. EDT), in the sense of
`format-time-string'.
But perhaps we mean the same.
> > Of course, convincing Org to extend the timestamp format and regexps
> > might be a tough call :-)
>
> This is exactly the problem I'm trying to avoid.
Yes, I get the "design tension" there. I don't have better ideas.
A greater flexibility in timestamp representation would have seduced
me; a file-global setting... not so much.
Still, I wish you good luck :-)
Cheers
[1] BTW I hate SX. Theycl've come up with yet another of those cookie
tortures to take revenge on the users for some mild privacy protection
laws. Of course I don't want any cookies. You @#&$s don't even have
to ask: you @#*&%$ can infer that from the fact that my browser doesn't
accept cookies in the first place! You so-called web programmers
manage to elicit feelings in me I'm less-than-proud of.
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