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Re: Expanding how the new cite syntax is used to include cross-reference
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Bruce D'Arcus |
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Re: Expanding how the new cite syntax is used to include cross-references - thoughts? |
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Wed, 11 Aug 2021 07:13:13 -0400 |
Here's a recent subthread on this question:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2021-07/msg00233.html
At the end of that discussion, my argument against using citations for
cross-references:
1. Cross-references are not citations, neither conceptually, nor in
software implementations. In LaTeX, MS Word, Libre office, InDesign,
etc, cross-references are handled differently than citations. There,
they are typed internal links. You can get a sense of how this works
in this tutorial for Word, which includes a list of cross-reference
types, and so hints at the range of things people need to internally
reference:
https://www.customguide.com/word/how-to-cross-reference-in-word
2. As John and Joost noted on that thread, because they're different,
they raise a range of implementation questions, most notably for me
what org-cite processors are supposed to do with these citations that
are not citations. As it is now, the user would just get errors and/or
unexpected output.
On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 1:28 AM Tom Gillespie <tgbugs@gmail.com> wrote:
...
> Actually, having written this now, I think that both solutions have
> their own use cases. Org cite is clearly about providing evidence for,
> or a scholarly reference for something, and critically it can embed
> some metadata about that reference in the document as a citation or
> perhaps as an excerpt (and extension of what org-ref does now when the
> cursor is over a reference?). Regular links do not provide any way to
> embed metadata within the document, they are purely pointers.
Right, which is what a cross-reference is.
It's just there needs to be some way to distinguish among types of
targets, I think.
> I think it would be a mistake to use up equation/eq and table/tbl or
> figure/fig prefixes for references that are internal to org, because it
> implicitly
> limits/collides with the #+link: keyword.
Is there a workaround for this somehow, or an alternative that gets
the same thing in the end?
Bruce
- Expanding how the new cite syntax is used to include cross-references - thoughts?, John Kitchin, 2021/08/10
- Re: Expanding how the new cite syntax is used to include cross-references - thoughts?, Bruce D'Arcus, 2021/08/10
- Re: Expanding how the new cite syntax is used to include cross-references - thoughts?, Tom Gillespie, 2021/08/11
- Re: Expanding how the new cite syntax is used to include cross-references - thoughts?,
Bruce D'Arcus <=
- Re: Expanding how the new cite syntax is used to include cross-references - thoughts?, Bruce D'Arcus, 2021/08/11
- Re: Expanding how the new cite syntax is used to include cross-references - thoughts?, John Kitchin, 2021/08/11
- Re: Expanding how the new cite syntax is used to include cross-references - thoughts?, Bruce D'Arcus, 2021/08/11
- Re: Expanding how the new cite syntax is used to include cross-references - thoughts?, John Kitchin, 2021/08/11
- Re: Expanding how the new cite syntax is used to include cross-references - thoughts?, Bruce D'Arcus, 2021/08/11
- Re: Expanding how the new cite syntax is used to include cross-references - thoughts?, Timothy, 2021/08/11
- Re: Expanding how the new cite syntax is used to include cross-references - thoughts?, Bruce D'Arcus, 2021/08/11
- Re: Expanding how the new cite syntax is used to include cross-references - thoughts?, John Kitchin, 2021/08/11
- Re: Expanding how the new cite syntax is used to include cross-references - thoughts?, Bruce D'Arcus, 2021/08/12
- Re: Expanding how the new cite syntax is used to include cross-references - thoughts?, John Kitchin, 2021/08/12