Re: Confused about source code blocks evaluation when exporting

[Alain . Cochard]

Fraga, Eric writes on Wed 13 Jul 2022 10:57:

 > No, you used the word correctly.  My point was that this was your
 > main issue!  Understanding what is the "result" of a src block
 > evaluation is key.

Thank you for the clarification.  I can see that I am still very
confused.

 > > Thank you both, I made progress; but the behavior is still very so
 > > unintuitive to me.  For example, I haven't found a way to have this
 > > block:
 > >
 > > #+begin_src emacs-lisp <arguments to be determined>
 > >   (message "foo")
 > >   (message "bar")
 > > #+END_SRC
 > 
 > If you want output, maybe use "print" instead of "message".  However,
 > you will get quotes around the strings.  The best alternative would be
 > to have a single elisp statement that returns what you want output:
 > 
 > #+begin_src emacs-lisp :results value
 >   (concat "Foo"
 >           "\n"
 >           "Bar")
 > #+end_src

I can now also see that the issue is coupled to my unfamiliarity with
the lisp language, so below I switch to something hopefully simpler
for me.

 > > Finally I still tend to consider that the sentence "Org evaluates
 > > source code blocks in an Org file during export" is confusing.  But
 > > maybe that's just I who interpret this as "code evaluation is the
 > > default behavior upon export".
 > 
 > I do not quite understand the difference.  Evaluation happens (subject
 > to confirmation).  What may happen with that evaluation, however, might
 > not be what you want by default.  What is it you want on export?  If you
 > want the code and the results, add ":exports both" to the begin_src
 > line.  Straightforward?

Nah, sorry.  Maybe I don't understand what "evaluation" is.

I have the file with only the following block in it:

#+begin_src shell
rm -f foo
#+end_src

I load it with 'emacs -Q -l ~/.emacs.git' 

where '~/.emacs.git' only contains

(add-to-list 'load-path "~/Org/Coch-git/org-mode/lisp")
(org-babel-do-load-languages
 'org-babel-load-languages 
 '((shell . t)))

I do 'C-c C-c' within the block; I am asked "Evaluate this shell code
block on your system?", I say 'yes', and I can see that that the file
'foo', which I had just created, is no longer there.  This makes sense
to me.  "evaluation" here seems to me to be a synonym for "execution".

Now I start again, but I do 'C-c C-e l o' instead.  I am _not_ asked
whether I want to evaluate, and the 'foo' file is still there.  But
the pdf file does display

rm -f foo

Does this still qualify as "evaluation"?  I thought not, hence my
conclusion that evaluation was not performed by default upon export,
but you made me doubt it...

Regards.  Hope you appreciated your beer.


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