Re: [GNU-linux-libre] Docker

[bill-auger]

On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 22:34:30 -0400 Richard wrote:
>   > I meant that I was fine with removing all third party package managers
>   > if that was the only way to make Parabola not explode.  
> 
> I think that solution is so drastic and painful that we should rather
> start fixing them one by one, and the distros can keep using the broken
> packages managers until we replace them.

it was not painful - users griped about the lost convenience; but these
third-party packages managers should never affect the operating system - by
those words alone, the danger should be obvious if that were true - if the
removal of any were harmful to the system, that would be just cause to treat
them as a fatal infection and eradicate them from the system, before those
third-parties have the power to hold our systems hostage by withholding
essential system components or dependencies - if you think i am over-stating
that, it has happened before in the javascript world, with widespread damage

those package managers are important for OSes without proper package management
- we have proper package management - everything in those repos that people
want to use, can and should be packaged properly by distros instead - to
believe otherwise is an anti-distro mentality - that is the reason why removing
them from parabola caused no damage - all of the important packages from those
repos are already packaged in the distro repos - if users request more, we can
add more

ignoring that they are a loop-hole for installing non-free software, any distro
dev who wants to keep these is only being lazy, or pandering to their users'
desire for convenience - parabola has been guilty of both for years; but anyone
who believes they are necessary or inherently valuable does not understand why
distros exist and why those package manager exist - they are not for us - they
are for someone else's (proprietary) system