Re: [BUG] Eval sets incorrect runtime metainformation

[Philip McGrath]

On 6/29/24 19:05, Maxime Devos wrote:
> > Instead of run-time reflection on values, I think an IDE implementing
> > jump to definition should use source location and binding information
> > from syntax objects. That's how DrRacket does it.
> > ...
> > Since syntax objects from the expander encode all the details of scope,
> > this works mostly automatically. DrRacket makes this functionality
> > available as a library, so navigation features can also be used from
> > Emacs with racket-xp-mode [2] or other editors with the Language Server
> > Protocol [3].
>
> I suppose this could work, but it seems the wrong layer of abstraction 
> and a bit round-about to me, it also only works on languages that use 
> Scheme-style syntax. Instead, I’d propose compiling the relevant code to 
> Tree-IL (without optimisations, should work with most languages).  (For 
> Scheme, this is essentially macro expansion, but the resulting object 
> won’t technically be a syntax object.)
>
> In Tree-IL, all syntax has been expanded (in tree form), which 
> eliminates a lot of complications. Yet, source location information 
> remains available (albeit not documented ...)! And the original variable 
> names remain available (together with an unshadow-ified version, so for 
> local variables you can move upwards to find the corresponding 
> definition and in particular its source location.
>
> A large upside is that this should work for most languages (not only 
> Scheme) and is relatively straightforward to implement,

I hadn't realized that other languages in Guile might compile to Tree-IL 
directly instead of generating syntax objects. Is that common and/or 
encouraged? It seems like it would require the new language's compiler 
to do a lot of work that could otherwise be delegated to Guile, and it 
would make it difficult to implement parts of the new language using macros.

> a small downside 
> is that information on definitions like (let-syntax ((f [...])) ...) 
> aren’t available – you only see the return of (f stuff), not ‘f’ itself.
>
> (But this downside applies to the ‘syntax’ route as well, unless you are 
> doing complicated (but possible!) DIY partial macro expansion shenanigans.)

This and other features, like correctly tracking the binding of `else` 
in `cond`, require cooperation from the macro expander. The explanation 
of origin tracking in 
<https://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/stxprops.html> might be one 
place to start reading about how Racket supports this (but I am not an 
expert!). Similar expander features can also enable other tools, like 
DrRacket's macro stepper: 
<https://docs.racket-lang.org/macro-debugger/index.html>

Philip