Re: Add murmur.

[ng0]

On 17-02-11 15:31:15, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> ng0 <address@hidden> skribis:
> 
> > On 17-02-10 22:54:21, Marius Bakke wrote:
> >> ng0 <address@hidden> writes:
> >> 
> >> > On 17-02-09 23:50:02, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> >> >> ng0 <address@hidden> skribis:
> >> >> 
> >> >> > On 17-02-09 17:50:04, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> >> >> >> Hi ng0!
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> address@hidden skribis:
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> > This patch adds an proposed change to mumble, murmur as an output.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> I’m reluctant to “non-standard” outputs like this.  The reason for
> >> >> >> multiple outputs should be to reduce the closure size for standards
> >> >> >> uses.  What do we gain by not included murmurd in “out” in this case?
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> >> Ludo’.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > We remove the server component (murmurd) from the client component
> >> >> > (mumble).  I imagine that if you run murmurd, you will not want mumble
> >> >> > in the same user profile.  And if you run mumble, you probably don't
> >> >> > want murmurd.  The default is a client, adding murmur output is 
> >> >> > logical.
> >> >> > But this is just my view.. I would not want a server unless I 
> >> >> > explicitly
> >> >> > expressed my intention to have it
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What do you think?
> >> >> 
> >> >> I think the only reason to separate things usually is size, not
> >> >> “aesthetics.”  So I’d be in favor of keeping both in the same output if
> >> >> there’s no size problem.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Of course this is a theoretic issue, but the separation of server+client
> >> > where applicable when the nature of an application allows it makes sense
> >> > to me.
> >> 
> >> What does `guix size` say about mumble:murmur compared to mumble:out? If
> >> the server does not depend on any graphical features, I think a separate
> >> output makes sense. mumble alone is ~1GiB.
> >
> > As far as I know right now, it does not have any graphical features or
> > dependencies.
> >
> > mumble:murmur -> total: 1072.6 MiB
> > mumble:out    -> total: 1111.2 MiB
> 
> And what about the total reported by
> 
>   guix size mumble:murmur mumble:out


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> ?
> 
> Ludo’.
> 

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