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Akib Azmain Turja |
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Re: Packages grow, no longer fit on a ๐พ |
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Fri, 20 Jan 2023 23:34:53 +0600 |
Csepp <raingloom@riseup.net> writes:
[...]
>>> It strikes me that this is like King Canute holding back the
>>> tide. Package size growth is pretty inevitable, and even if work now
>>> can bring the size down to that of a CD, the same problem will occur
>>> in the not too distant future.
>>>
>>
>> But we should really try to keep them low.
>>
>>> Is it really a problem?
>>
>> YES!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Big packages means, it takes more space. If a package grows by 700 MB,
>> installed on 10,000 computers, ~70 TB (70,000,000 MB) is wasted. You
>> could use that precious storage to save your dad's photo, your favorite
>> music, your child's video calling you "daddy/mummy" for the first time,
>> etc. You would need to get more storage for that storing those
>> invaluable things, so you would need more storage devices. When you buy
>> more storage, the demand of increases, and therefore the manufacturing
>> of storage devices increase. The more devices are manufactured, the
>> more carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emission.
>>
>> Again, if the packages is downloaded 100 times every day, ~70 GB (70000
>> MB) of bandwidth is wasted every day. Someone on the network could use
>> that to do some more important thing, like video calling a relative
>> living far away. Moreover, it takes time to get the extra 700 MB for
>> everyone. Assuming it takes 8 minutes on average, ~13.33 hours (800
>> minutes) of time is wasted everyday. We have limited time in our lives,
>> we shouldn't waste the time. This extra ~70 GB of transmission means
>> more load on the network, more load on the network devices, and
>> therefore more power consumption. The more power consumption, the more
>> greenhouse gas emission, since we're fossil fuel dependent. If your
>> country uses nuclear power, the extra nuclear waste is a threat for the
>> environment.
>>
>> The more greenhouse gas, the more greenhouse effect, the more global
>> warming, the more climate change. You will just destroy the earth for
>> future yourself and the future generation. What will you answer to
>> them?
>>
>>> Please educate me! :)
>>
>> It's my pleasure to make someone aware.
>> I hope this was enough. :)
>> If not, just ask!
>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>
> Well said. Gonna add to this that developers are overwhelmingly from
> privileged backgrounds. Just because we don't have a lot of users on
> the mailing list who have to use satellite internet on ancient laptops
> does not mean those (potential) users are not out there and wouldn't
> benefit from our distro not being a bloated mess. Which sadly it kind
> of is currently. I wholeheartedly recommend trying to use it on an old
> netbook or an armhf device from time to time.
> Like others have said: if you want to develop efficient software, use a
> slow machine. :)
I have a slow machine from about 10 years ago, and I'm really happy with
it. (I'm writing from this machine.) I also have a slow unstable
internet connection, so I understand the pain of download hundreds of
MB of data without pause and resume support. (I couldn't download the
latest Guix GNU/Hurd QEMU image (just around 293 MB maybe?) even trying
8-10 times.)
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