Re: First ever GSL Technical Report (ALFs)

[Mike Marchywka]

On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 10:00:31PM -0500, Liam Healy wrote:
>    This thread seems relevant; as of 2015 or so, the answer was "most 
> probably not":
>    
> [https://github.com/openjournals/brief-ideas/issues/132#issuecomment-164936220]https://github.com/openjournals/brief-ideas/
>    issues/132#issuecomment-164936220
>    and if you scroll all the way to the bottom through many "any updates on 
> this?" postings,
>    you'll see postings from a few days ago saying basically nothing's changed.
>    I just checked some of my papers on Zenodo, and none came up in GS.

I started using researchgate and academia.edu a couple years ago and monitored
GS indexing. Most of these come up a week or so after posting but
they may curate them hard to know,

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mike_Marchywka

Again, researchgate generates a DOI but I'm not sure it is useful
for getting bibliographic information since neither it nor the one
I checked from Zenodo worked with crossref.

Googgle Scholar does have a way to generate bibtex from an indexed result
but last time I looked it was very terse or incomplete. When I find hits
on GS I don't use their cite facilities but put the link into Toobib
( others may use Zotero ). In any case, once a document is downloaded 
you may still want to cite it but I don't see anyone other than myself
advocating a method to include machine readable citation information.  
Also there is another annoyance in the lack of being able to know
when a document generates interest as with a user clicking on a 
bibliographic citation. I'm working on a modifying bibliographies
in documents I gnerate to put a doc identifier ( maybe a DOI when
a useful one exists ) in the query string so a server could
attribute the click to the work. Or, maybe do as google does
and wrap the entire URL into a central passthrough server
so it can cound the clicks before redirecting to the
real location :)


>    On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 12:25 PM Mike Marchywka 
> <[mailto:marchywka@hotmail.com]marchywka@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>      On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 11:32:27AM -0500, Liam Healy wrote:
>      > I suggest archiving on Zenodo 
> [https://zenodo.org/]https://zenodo.org/. This will provide
>      > permanent storage and a DOI. Subsequent revisions will get their own 
> DOI,
>      > but there is also a generic DOI. You can even make a GSL "community"
>      > [https://zenodo.org/communities/]https://zenodo.org/communities/.
>      Do you know if google scholar indexes these? It looks like
>      they index most of researchgate and [http://academia.edu/]academia.edu.
>      Researhgate creates a DOI but apparently they don't tell "Crossref"
>      about it so it is hard to cite ( if anyone know differently great).
>      In any case, the output document  ( usually pdf ) should have
>      machine readable info in the extended information if you want
>      people to easily cite it. This can be hard since you don't
>      know where it is going and can't put in a url etc. The bibtex
>      download software can put on the finishing touches however.
>      I just took a random page,
>      
> [https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6CHnXMJCW]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6CHnXMJCW
>      and TooBib tried to look up the DOI,
>      
> [http://api.crossref.org/works/10.5281/zenodo.6126333]http://api.crossref.org/works/10.5281/zenodo.6126333
>      which returned a 404. This seems to be the right
>      DOI as displayed on the page,
>      February 17, 2022
>      DOI:
>      10.5281/zenodo.6126333
>      Keyword(s):
>      However, toobib did find a citation using a standard method whereas
>      with researchgate it is a struggle,
>      % mjmhandler: toobib handleadhochtml<-citation
>      % date 2022-02-17:12:07:12 Thu Feb 17 12:07:12 EST 2022
>      % srcurl: 
> [https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU
>      % citeurl: 
> [https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU
>      @article{processeddataYangKalverla,
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>      X_TooBib = {urldate: FixBeKvp s= cmd=date "+%Y-%m-%d" d=2022-02-17 
> dn=urldate},
>      X_TooBib = {author:  Liu , Yang and  Kalverla , Peter and  Alidoost , 
> Fakhereh and  Verhoeven , Stefan and  Vreede ,
>      Barbara and  Booth , Ben and  Coppola , Erika and  Nogherotto , Rita and 
>  Brunner , Lukas and  Harris , Glen and  Qasmi
>      , Said and  Ballinger , Andrew and  Hegerl , Gabriele and  McSweeney , 
> Carol and  O ' Reilly , Christopher and  Palmer ,
>      Tamzin and  Ribes , Aurélien and  de Vries , Hylke},
>      abstract_html_url = 
> {[https://zenodo.org/record/6126333]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333},
>      author = { Liu , Yang and  Kalverla , Peter and  Alidoost , Fakhereh and 
>  Verhoeven , Stefan and  Vreede , Barbara and
>      Booth , Ben and  Coppola , Erika and  Nogherotto , Rita and  Brunner , 
> Lukas and  Harris , Glen and  Qasmi , Said and
>      Ballinger , Andrew and  Hegerl , Gabriele and  McSweeney , Carol and  O 
> ' Reilly , Christopher and  Palmer , Tamzin and
>      Ribes , Aurélien and  de Vries , Hylke},
>      author_orig = {Liu, Yang and Kalverla, Peter and Alidoost, Fakhereh and 
> Verhoeven, Stefan and Vreede, Barbara and Booth,
>      Ben and Coppola, Erika and Nogherotto, Rita and Brunner, Lukas and 
> Harris, Glen and Qasmi, Said and Ballinger, Andrew
>      and Hegerl, Gabriele and McSweeney, Carol and O'Reilly, Christopher and 
> Palmer, Tamzin and Ribes, Aurélien and de Vries,
>      Hylke},
>      date = {2022-02-17},
>      day = {17},
>      doi = {10.5281/zenodo.6126333},
>      keywords = {climate and EUCP},
>      month = {02},
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>      title = {Pre-processed data of atlas in EUCP-WP2},
>      urldate = {2022-02-17},
>      year = {2022},
>      
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>      
> srcurl={[https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU},
>      
> xsrcurl={[https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU},
>      
> citeurl={[https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU]https://zenodo.org/record/6126333#.Yg6An3XMJCU}
>      }
>      >
>      > On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 4:21 AM Mike Marchywka 
> <[mailto:marchywka@hotmail.com]marchywka@hotmail.com>
>      > wrote:
>      >
>      > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 11:24:53PM -0700, Patrick Alken wrote:
>      > > > Thanks Mark,
>      > > >
>      > > >   I don't think it is suitable for publication in a journal.
>      > > > There is nothing novel here, its just technical details of how
>      > > > to calculate ALFs efficiently.
>      > >
>      > > But how should other people cite your work? This is a recurring 
> problem
>      > > for me and I have created a developmental tool maybe similar to
>      > > Zotero for obtaining bibtex from many random links. When I post
>      > > pdf "tech reports", for example,
>      > >
>      > > 
> [https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mike_Marchywka]https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mike_Marchywka
>      > >
>      > > I try to include human AND machine readable bibtex.
>      > > If you look at any of my recent pdf files there is always a suggsted
>      > > version at the end although I'm not sure if Zotero or Toobib
>      > > can find that. In the extended information I include
>      > > bibtex info but have not found a well accepted or commonly
>      > > used way to do this ( [http://tug.org/]tug.org website in particular 
> does not
>      > > seem to have an easy way to cite their works unless you know
>      > > about their lookup -table page )
>      > > Its not hard to do this with latex and I can contribute
>      > > the few lines I use to do it if anyone wants it.
>      > >
>      > > For example,
>      > > exifutil -list covidup.pdf
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>      > >
>      > >
>      > > >
>      > > > I'll see if I can fix the formatting issue on eq. 36. Its a
>      > > > good idea to cite GSL, I will add that :)
>      > > >
>      > > > Patrick
>      > > >
>      > > > On 2/16/22 22:51, Mark Galassi wrote:
>      > > > > Patrick, this is a great paper.  It shows the same care you 
> apply to
>      > > maintaining gsl.  The writing is also very clear, and I love the 
> table of
>      > > acronyms :-).  Do you plan to submit for publication in a numerical
>      > > analysis journal, or submit to the arXiv?
>      > > > >
>      > > > > The only previous quasi-report had been the ongoing design 
> document
>      > > that I kept going with James and Brian in the early years, but it is 
> a
>      > > working design doc, not anything of the scope you have shown here.
>      > > > >
>      > > > > Tiny suggestions: alignment of equation 36 on page 5: "l >= 1" 
> could
>      > > be moved quite a bit to the left.  Maybe an extra & to make it match 
> the
>      > > start of the l >= 1, m > 0.
>      > > > >
>      > > > > You might also want to also cite the reference manual (as we ask
>      > > people to do when they use gsl :-) ).  A recent bibtex skeleton on 
> that is
>      > > the 2019 Network Theory edition.
>      > > > >
>      > > > > @book{gslteam2019gnuscientificlibrary,
>      > > > >    title={GNU Scientific Library Reference Manual},
>      > > > >    author={Galassi, Mark and Davies, Jim and Theiler, James and 
> Gough,
>      > > Brian and Jungman, Gerard and Alken, Patrick and Booth, Michael and 
> Rossi,
>      > > Fabrice and Ulerich, Rhys},
>      > > > >    year={2019},
>      > > > >    isbn={9780954612078},
>      > > > >    publisher={Network Theory Limited}
>      > > > > }
>      > > >
>      > >
>      > > --
>      > >
>      > > mike marchywka
>      > > 306 charles cox
>      > > canton GA 30115
>      > > USA, Earth
>      > > [mailto:marchywka@hotmail.com]marchywka@hotmail.com
>      > > 404-788-1216
>      > > ORCID: 0000-0001-9237-455X
>      > >
>      > >
>      --
>      mike marchywka
>      306 charles cox
>      canton GA 30115
>      USA, Earth
>      [mailto:marchywka@hotmail.com]marchywka@hotmail.com
>      404-788-1216
>      ORCID: 0000-0001-9237-455X

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mike marchywka
306 charles cox
canton GA 30115
USA, Earth 
marchywka@hotmail.com
404-788-1216
ORCID: 0000-0001-9237-455X