Re: Toolbars visible, even when turned off?!

[Katsumi Yamaoka]

>>>>> In <microsoft-free.87fypxtm3u.fsf@youngs.au.com> Steve Youngs wrote:

> * Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org> writes:

>> `gnus-use-toolbar'
>>      This variable specifies the position to display the toolbar.  If
>>      `nil', don't display toolbars.  If it is non-nil, it should be one
>>      of the symbols `default', `top', `bottom', `right', and `left'.
>>      `default' means to use the default toolbar, the rest mean to
>>      display the toolbar on the place which those names show.  The
>>      default is `default'.

> IMO, this is bad.

I agree.  Currently, the *default* toolbars in the Gnus buffers
are not the same as the default toolbars of which the visibility
and the position should be customizable by the menu bar.

> Gnus should get the default settings for these
> variables from (S)XEmacs, instead of overriding the user's global
> settings. 

> ,----
>| (if toolbar-visible-p
>|     (default-toolbar-position)
>|   nil)
> `----

> Would probably do it.  Although I'm not sure what would or should
> happen if the user wanted to display multiple toolbars.[1]

> Footnotes: 
> [1]  (S)XEmacs can display up to 4 separate toolbars in a single frame
>      (one along each edge) at the same time.

Gnus doesn't seem to need to display two or more toolbars in one
frame.  The main problem is how to make the *default* toolbars
in the Gnus buffers follow change of the default toolbars.  Or,
how to apply the change done by the menu bar to the *default*
toolbars.  I tried to improve the code again and again, but
haven't succeeded yet.  Though the present code is a result of
the compromise, it's much better than the former one, which just
didn't work.  I welcome any person who improves it further.

(I can also vote instead to making Gnus use only the default
toolbars.)