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From: |
Yasuaki Kudo |
Subject: |
Re: Question of Aiding and Abetting Proprietary (or non-free) Software in GNU projects |
Date: |
Tue, 17 May 2022 19:38:24 +0900 |
Hi,
I just wanted to follow up that I meant to ask:
- Endorsing Free Software to be available on non-free systems, so as long as it
is understood that it is an invitation to the fully Free System, not just
partial - is this stance well shared among the members and participants of
FSF/GNU projects? Or is it the case that Richard Stallman is rather uniquely
more generous than others?
Sorry I should have been clearer.
-Yasu
> On May 17, 2022, at 18:54, lkcl <luke.leighton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 2:00 AM Yasuaki Kudo <yasu@yasuaki.com> wrote:
>>
>> If this is the case, a few more follow-up questions:
>>
>> - Is this attitude widely shared among the participants of FSF or GNU
>> projects?
>
> "attitude" is a very strong / loaded word, it is making me hesitate to answer
> "yes or no".
>
> there is a goal: that goal is the combination of Ethical behaviour and
> principles
> applied to Software usage and development.
>
> the *advice* of - or more like the documentation behind - the GNU Project
> and of the Free Software Foundation (which is very different from an
> *attitude*)
> is to promote that combination of Ethical behaviour and principles as applied
> to Software usage and development.
>
> people can have a "bad" or a "good" attitude whilst also still respecting
> (or disrespecting) those principles. i've seen that happen.
>
>> - Are there GNU projects other than Guix, in which helping people with
>> special
>> needs for their proprietary systems, by purposefully discussing and sharing
>> the
>> knowhow, is shunned - perhaps with some of the participants even declaring
>> to leave the project unless it is? 😅
>
> Dr Stallman's perspective is amazingly clear and very respectful.
> what i have seen him do is to make it clear what the goal of the
> GNU Project is (to promote the combination of Ethical behaviour
> in the form of Software), and to *very respectfully* redirect anyone
> wishing to *disregard* or undermine that goal to move their discussion
> elsewhere.
>
> in the version of the GNU Maintainers documentation that i was
> helping to edit, it gives advice here on how to respectfully deal with
> this situation. it does *NOT* imply "go be a complete dickhead and
> smash people's opinions into the floor because they want to use
> nonfree software" because by doing so you are, yourself, basically
> being a dickhead and undermining Free Software as a result.
>
> in circumstances where people are being dickheads, chances are high
> that anyone who left, and then had their system hacked (or it becomes
> unstable / unusable) because they used nonfree software, would go,
>
> "shit, i should have listened to those people who told me of the
> consequences of using nonfree software..."
>
> at which point there are *two* possible paths for the thoughts in their
> head:
>
> 1) "... but they were such disrespectful dickheads that i am
> never going back even though it would be beneficial for me"
>
> or:
>
> 2) "... and they were so respectful i think i'll go back sheepishly
> because from their behaviour when i *wasn't* listening to them,
> i have confidence that they won't attack me or try to undermine
> me"
>
> you see how that works?
>
> l.
- Re: Question of Aiding and Abetting Proprietary (or non-free) Software in GNU projects, (continued)
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- Re: Question of Aiding and Abetting Proprietary (or non-free) Software in GNU projects, andrew, 2022/05/17
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- Re: Question of Aiding and Abetting Proprietary (or non-free) Software in GNU projects, Alexandre Oliva, 2022/05/17
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Re: Question of Aiding and Abetting Proprietary (or non-free) Software in GNU projects, lkcl, 2022/05/16
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- Re: Question of Aiding and Abetting Proprietary (or non-free) Software in GNU projects, lkcl, 2022/05/17
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- Re: Question of Aiding and Abetting Proprietary (or non-free) Software in GNU projects, Yasuaki Kudo, 2022/05/17
Re: Question of Aiding and Abetting Proprietary (or non-free) Software in GNU projects, Jean Louis, 2022/05/17
Re: Question of Aiding and Abetting Proprietary (or non-free) Software in GNU projects, Jean Louis, 2022/05/17