[Lilypond-auto] [LilyIssues-auto] [testlilyissues:issues] Re: #3692 Fing

I haven't found a single example in Learning Manual, Notation Manual, where chord fingerings outside the chord.

This sounds like a documentation-issue: if we provide a functionality we should document it ofcourse.

Besides, fingeringOrientations will only work for fingerings within <>.

Indeed.
It's a feature having those two engravers, see:

{
  <c'-4 e'-3>1-1-2
  %% in-chord-fingering is not affected
  \once \override Fingering.direction = #DOWN
  <c'-4 e'-3>-1-2
  %% general chord fingering is not affected
  \set fingeringOrientations = #'(left)
  <c'-4 e'-3>1-1-2
}

Otoh, sometimes it fails like a pain in the neck having two engravers for fingerings.
Furthermore one of them is for other stuff as well...
a real mess.

Though, as said before, I'd love to get the possibility to have StrokeFingers attached to a whole chord working as well.
P.e., look at
http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=409
There the defined strokes have to be placed inside of the chord. It would be much cleaner, if they could be attached to the chord.
Ofcourse, this is a different issue.

[issues:#3692] Fingering collision with accidentals

Status: Started
Created: Sat Nov 30, 2013 09:17 AM UTC by Anonymous
Last Updated: Fri Aug 03, 2018 02:32 PM UTC
Owner: Torsten Hämmerle
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Originally created by: *anonymous

Originally created by: address@hidden

Fingerings do not take accidentals into account, and fingerings align over the first note inout of a chord, rather than centering over the whole chord.
\version "2.17.96"

{
<e'' f'' cis'''>1 ^1^2^5
}

From Keith Ohara:
"Unfortunately this is a different bug -- or two -- so it will
not be fixed at the same time as collisions between Fingerings.

(1) LilyPond has never looked at Accidentals when placing Fingering;
until recently that caused only small overlaps with sharps because
the Fingering did not previously fit so close to the chord.

(2) Fingering on a chord as a whole should center over the main column
of note-heads; instead it centers over the first-input note.

So, you can do the same as we did when using version 2.12: rearrange
the order of pitches in the chord so a main-column note comes first.

{ <f'' e'' cis'''>1 ^1^2^5 }

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From Janek :

and i believe to solve it in a general way we would have to teach
lilypond about different kinds of extents - see:

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2012-06/msg00230.html
https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3239 (sorry, that
issue got pretty messy).

Currently the work i started on this is waiting until 2.18.0 is out...
What about leaving it for now and attacking this together after 2.18?
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Possibly a Known Issue in NR 1.7.1 would be in order.

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