Re: Add Code of Conduct (issue 575620043 by address@hidden)

[david . nalesnik]

On 2020/02/05 18:17:25, c_sorensen wrote:
> 
> On 2/5/20, 7:40 AM, "lilypond-devel on behalf of David Kastrup"
> <mailto:lilypond-devel-bounces+c_sorensen=address@hidden on behalf of
mailto:address@hidden>
> wrote:
> 
>     Mike Solomon <mailto:address@hidden> writes:
>     
>     > Janek Warchoł <mailto:address@hidden> writes:
>     >
>     >> Hi,
>     >>
>     >> śr., 5 lut 2020, 00:34 użytkownik <mailto:address@hidden> napisał:
>     >>
>     >>> What problem are we trying to solve here?
>     >>>
>     >>
>     >> In short, it's been found (I think Mike will be able to give
you 
>     >> specific
>     >> examples) that having code of conduct encourages contributions
from 
>     >> newcomers.
>     >
>     >> I rather think that a friendly atmosphere encourages
contributions
>     >> from newcomers.  Whether an upfront requirement to commit to a
set
>     >> of rules with an enforcement team is perceived as a guarantee
of a
>     >> friendly atmosphere is debatable.
>     >
>     > I personally would feel more comfortable if there were a code of
>     > conduct, and I know within my company one employee will not
attend a
>     > conference or participate in a project unless there is a code of
>     > conduct.  I don't have any hard stats to prove this, but have a
gut
>     > feeling that a code of conduct opens more doors than it closes.
> 
> My gut feeling is the opposite.  Upon reading the Code of Conduct, it
felt to me
> like it was proposing a private channel for a mean-spirited
passive-aggressive
> person to wreak havoc on the community.
> 
> Now, I do not feel like we have any such individuals in our community.
 So in
> the best of all possible worlds, there is no harm to a code of
conduct.  But in
> the best of all possible worlds, there is also no need for a code of
conduct.
> 
> In the worst of all worlds, the lack of a Code of Conduct can lead to
individual
> bullying. In the worst of all worlds, a Code of Conduct can lead to
systematic
> bullying, where an anonymous complainer gets the weight of a
bureaucracy behind
> the bullying.
> 
> I don't believe we have the worst of all worlds.  I don't believe that
any
> individual behind the proposal for the Code of Conduct has anything
but the best
> intentions.  I want to see the LilyPond community be a friendly,
welcoming place
> for all.  I believe that it largely is a friendly, welcoming place for
all.
> 
> For me, personally, I find the Code of Conduct approach with its
implied threat
> (if you don't obey, we'll punish you -- in fact, we've spelled out the
> punishments in the document) to be much less friendly than a public
statement
> that we value an open, respectful, and friendly environment and we
call on all
> to participate in it.  The Code of Conduct approach feels like taking
a
> sledgehammer to squash a fly.

A statement about community values would be an excellent idea, but
channels for reporting and meting out punishment?  This makes me
uncomfortable.

And is this really such a large organization that we have room for
committees? 



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