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Graham Percival |
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Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:04:36 +0000 |
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On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 09:11:40AM +0100, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
> So what are the actual problems? Is LilyPond really too difficult?
> Do we rely too much on crufty input-language solutions? How many
> ritardando-like hacks do we have for common problems? Are they
> listed/categorised somewhere?
For the record, **I have never recommended that somebody use
lilypond**. When meeting a technically-oriented composer,
especially one working on algorithmic music, I might suggest that
they should check it out. But I think the original poster was
entirely justified in switching back to Finale.
That's why I cringe a bit whenever I hear people proudly
announcing that they advertized lilypond to meeting X or
conference Y.
The worst two problems, and their solutions:
- input syntax standardization, which I've been planning for over
a year.
- approximately 300 *known* bugs that produce garbage output that
nobody's working on. (there's about 10-15 bugs that people are
working on)
There's no point listing more problems unless those (especially
the second) are addressed.
> Maybe it's just that we are not tempting enough to be used.
The new website is better than the old one; I don't think we need
any more advocacy than that.
> I cannot imagine that OP would have stopped with a frustating
> message to sibelius-user after having paid $$$$ for the program?
Oh, people do that all the time.
> How about a frogs project to make our image sexier?
How about a project to finish the website? Oh wait, Kieren is
trying to work on that.
How about a project to make it easier to build lilypond docs? Oh
wait, I'm kind-of doing that with waf. If we stay with waf.
How about a project to make it easier to build lilypond, period?
Chicken and egg problem: we don't have enough contributors on
windows+osx to make it worth the effort to make it easier, and we
__might__ not get some contributors on those platforms because
they can't build it[1].
[1] I doubt this, though. It's just a convenient excuse.
How about a project to gather more developers? Oh wait, that's
GOP, which I've been trying to organize for slightly less than a
year. We currently don't have the infrastructure for an influx of
inexperienced developers. The snag right now: Carl has made the
easy-git-gui tcl script, but nobody's testing it.
Our problems are numerous, known, and mostly involve a lot of
work. If we have double the amount of developer-effort, then we
would _start_ to make a dent in the list (instead of piling up
jobs). We really could use 5-10 times the amount of
developer-effort if we're serious about it.
Cheers,
- Graham
- Re: Quit [now definitely O/T], (continued)
- Re: Quit [now definitely O/T], Kieren MacMillan, 2009/11/11
- Re: Quit [now definitely O/T], David Kastrup, 2009/11/11
- Re: Quit [now definitely O/T], Kieren MacMillan, 2009/11/11
- Re: Quit [now definitely O/T], David Kastrup, 2009/11/11
- Re: Quit [now definitely O/T], Kieren MacMillan, 2009/11/11
- Re: Quit [now definitely O/T], Graham Percival, 2009/11/11
- Re: Quit [now definitely O/T], Carl Sorensen, 2009/11/11
- Re: Quit [now definitely O/T], David Kastrup, 2009/11/12
- Re: Quit [now definitely O/T], Jan Nieuwenhuizen, 2009/11/12
- Re: Quit [now definitely O/T], David Kastrup, 2009/11/12
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- Re: developers developers developers, Francisco Vila, 2009/11/12
- Re: developers developers developers, Mats Bengtsson, 2009/11/12
- Re: developers developers developers, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool), 2009/11/12
- Re: developers developers developers, Jan Nieuwenhuizen, 2009/11/12
- Re: developers developers developers, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool), 2009/11/12
- Re: developers developers developers, David Kastrup, 2009/11/12
- Re: developers developers developers, David Kastrup, 2009/11/12
- Re: developers developers developers, Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool), 2009/11/12
- Re: developers developers developers, David Kastrup, 2009/11/12
- Re: developers developers developers, Werner LEMBERG, 2009/11/12