Re: [PATCH] tpm: add backend for mssim

[James Bottomley]

On Mon, 2022-12-12 at 17:02 -0500, Stefan Berger wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/12/22 16:36, James Bottomley wrote:
> > On Mon, 2022-12-12 at 14:32 -0500, Stefan Berger wrote:
[...]
> > >   Either way, what is the latency that this introduces because I
> > > would expect that this slows down IMA since the PCR extensions &
> > > TPM 2 response now go back and forth across the network?
> > 
> > Most data centre protocols are now encrypted and networked (NVMeoF
> > would probably be the poster child) with no real ill effects.  In
> > terms of a TPM, the competition is an underpowered discrete chip
> > over a slow serial bus, so I think we'll actually improve the
> > latency not diminish it.
> 
> Compared to QEMU and swtpm talking over a local socket you probably
> have a decent amount of slow-down if this is over the network.

I can only repeat that doesn't happen with other much more volume and
latency bound networked protocols.

> I still fail to see the advantage over what we have at the moment.
> Also I don't see what advantage the mssim protocol brings over what
> swtpm provides.

I think I've said a couple of times now: The primary advantage is that
it talks to the reference implementation over its native protocol.

>  If you are willing to do a 'dnf -y install swtpm_setup' and start
> the VM via libvirt it really doesn't matter what protocol the TPM is
> running underneath since it's all transparent.

Swtpm currently isn't building for Leap:

https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/security/swtpm

And, as I said, this is primarily for testing, so I need the reference
implementation ... swtpm has started deviating from it.

James