Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's)

[Cooper, Ben]

Hi Bruce,
Overlaying scraps onto the centreline...?  So what I do is to save each
passage section (a day's surveying data) into a file called
passage_name.th, and compile this with a dedicated
thconfig.passage_name.tp (for some reason I typed my thconfig files as
tp, but same effect as your .thc).  This produces the raw
passage_name.XVI, passage_name.3d, passage_name_extended.XVI, and now
the passage_name_LRUD.pdf files in a subfolder of my main survey.  I
review these files to debug my .th file, typically sorting out
Left-Right issues for reverse legs.  

My experience is that the LRUD applies to the "To" station.  In order to
generate the first "From" station LRUD, I manually create a Dummy
station, 1cm away from the true starting station, as follows:

E.g. 
Data from to compass clino length left right up down
# 1 2 45 10 6.00 0.0 2.0 2.0 0.5 # station 1 LRUD
1 1a    45 10 0.01 0.0 2.0 2.2 0.5 # station 1 LRUD
1a 2    45 10 5.99 2.0 0.0 2.1 0.6 # station 2 LRUD

I also find that reverse legs, or dog-legs are not handled well by LRUD.
This is not a criticism of Therion, but a confusion with the surveyors.
It is not so simple to say that the LRUD applies to the direction of the
survey, because the LRUD applies to a station, which may have legs taken
both From and To it.  Therefore, our convention is to record LRUD in the
direction of the passage.  If we turn around, the passage Left and Right
remain where they were!  I then need to disentangle this in the .th file
in order to get the XVI looking correct.

I then create passage-name.th2, insert th XVI, insert station points
over the centreline, and draw the walls over the LRUD with reference to
any sketches we have produced.  It's that simple.  For stage 2 of our
surveying project, we plan to print out these "rough" surveys onto
waterproof paper, and then re-draw the cave onto these sheets while
actually standing in the cave.  For that purpose, a pdf output of the
XVI is all we need!
- Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: address@hidden [mailto:address@hidden On
Behalf Of Bruce Mutton
Sent: 12 November 2007 19:09
To: address@hidden
Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's)

Hi Ben
My first encounter with Therion was about two weeks ago, and the things
that
work well for me just seem to keep getting better, but there are some
(rather critical) things that still escape me, like overlaying scraps
onto
the centreline.  I thought I'd see what you had done in the hope it
would
shed some light on my problems... 

Anyway, your query.  The email system scrambled your *.th listing, but I
think I patched it up OK.  (Perhaps it's better to attach the file, then
we
can open it directly with just one double click.)

My understanding is that the LRUD data apply to the 'from' station, not
the
'to' station.  But I see your point, your plots, and the plot attached
seem
to indicate something different is going on.
Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: address@hidden [mailto:address@hidden On
Behalf
Of Cooper, Ben
Sent: Monday, 12 November 2007 9:37 p.m.
To: address@hidden
Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's)

Well, I've now upgraded, but am getting strange results.  See attached
PDFs.  The raw XVI are OK, but in NewPassage_CL.PDF, each LRUD
parallelogram seems to be flipped over.  Below is the raw NewPassage.th
file.  Note that the centreline output of the entire cave (UF_CL.pdf)
handles NewPassage slightly better (but still not perfectly) than
NewPassage on its own.  

Am I doing something wrong?
- Ben


encoding  utf-8
survey NewPassage -title "New Passage"
  centreline
    equate address@hidden address@hidden
  endcentreline
  survey Leg1   # From Boulder Choke to Walk The Plank
    centerline    
      flags duplicate # duplicate of Boulder Choke legs for reference in
th2 file.
        extend right
        data normal from to length compass clino left right up down
        bc32 bc33       2.33    201     -54     1.1     0.3     0.5
0.3     #33 (Through Easy Squeeze)
        data normal from to length compass clino
        bc33 bc34       3.07    239     -39         
        data normal from to length compass clino left right up down
        bc34 bc35       2.49    231     -57     0.9     0.3     0.5
0.6     #35
        bc35 bc36       2.13    194     -37     0.4     0       0.2
0.8     #36
        bc36 bc37       2.5     141     +06     0.5     0       0.8
0       #37
        bc37 bc38       3.74    139     -09     1.6     0.2     0.7
1.5     #38
        bc38 bc39a      2.75    136     -10     0       1.15    1.6
1.0     #39
          bc39a 1               0.01    136     -10     6       1.15
5       1.0     #1 LRUD Est
      flags not duplicate
 
        extend left
        data normal from to length compass clino
        1 bc40  11      052     +43     

        extend right
        mark 1 painted
        data normal\
        from    to      length  compass clino   left    right   up
down
        1       2       29.46   153     -25     4.3     2.4     4.8
1.4 #2
        station 2 "Emergency Dump"
        2       3       16.09   144     -04     3.4     3.0     2.9
1.4 #3
        3       4       11.44   142     -11     4.2     2.0     0.9
1.6 #4
        4       5       9.48    142     -29     1.5     1.3     3.4
1.2 #5
        5       6       6.08    166.5   -18     0.2     0.4     2.2
0.8 #6
        6       7       3.22    154     -09     2.0     0.8     0.5
0.5 #7
        7       8       1.75    140     -04     1.7     0.6     1.1
1.0 #8
        8       9       9.27    178.5   -12.5   1.2     1.3     0.5
1.0 #9
        9       10      1.6     159.5   -20.5   0.2     1.3     0.6
0.6 #10
        10      11      2.95    156     -11     0.9     0.3     1.0
0.2 #11
        11      12      5.36    131     +03     1.5     1.2     6.7
0.5 #12
        12      13      8.17    124.5   +06     0       0.7     6.2
1.6 #13
        13      14      8.37    132     +7.5    0.9     2.7     2.2
1.8 #14
        14      15      8.81    147     -10     0.8     2.1     5.4
1.4 #15
        15      16      5.75    235     -10.5   0       1.0     5.6
1.0 #16
        16      17      6.54    272     +2      0.7     0       5.1
1.3 #17
        17      18      2.81    245     -19     0       0.3     0.4
0.6 #18
        18      19      7.54    262     0       0       1.7     5.1
0.8 #19
        19      20      6.03    263     -2      1.0     0.6     3.6
0.7 #20
        20      21      2.26    205     -2      0       0.6     0.6
0.5 #21
        20      20a     4       325     0       0       1       2
0.5 #20a estimated LRUD
        21      22      4.58    162     +9      0.7     0       5.2
1.3 #22
        22      23      4.15    144     -4      1.0     0.2     0.5
1.0 #23
        23      24      13.68   140.5   -2.5    1.5     1.5     4.9
0.6 #24
        24      25      8.61    216     +6      0       2.3     1.5
1.8 #25
        25      26      4.58    304     -13     1.1     0.9     1.8
1.0 #26
        26      27      12.65   281     +1      0.4     1.2     2.2
1.3 #27
        27      28      5.59    304     -5      0.8     1.2     1.2
0.9 #28
        28      29      5.46    275     -6      0.2     1.0     0.5
0.4 #29
        29      30      3.63    312     +2      0.4     0       2.7
0.5 #30
        #31 30  10.16   103     -3.5    0.5     0.8     0.2     1.4 #31
        30      31      10.16   283     +3.5    0.5     0.8     0.2
1.4 #31 REVERSED
        31      32      4.48    276     +3      1.0     0.4     1.6
1.4 #32
        32      33      8.42    286     -5      1.5     0.8     1.8
0.7 #33
        33      34      14.82   271     +1      0.3     2.2     3.2
1.2 #34
        34      35      20.06   290.5   +2      2.5     1       2
1.5 #35 estimated LRUD
        mark 35 painted # address@hidden
    endcentreline
  endsurvey # Leg1
  

-----Original Message-----
From: address@hidden [mailto:address@hidden On
Behalf Of Cooper, Ben
Sent: 11 November 2007 19:56
To: address@hidden
Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's)

Aha - thanks Stacho.  I'm still on 0.5.0.  Upgrading now...!
Regards,
- Ben 

-----Original Message-----
From: address@hidden [mailto:address@hidden On
Behalf Of Stacho Mudrak
Sent: 08 November 2007 19:53
To: address@hidden
Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps (done with pdf's)

Just few remarks:

1. Did you use latest version of therion (0.5.1)?  It is a new feature 
in that version.

2. You may also use other colors that gray. Just add
   color map-fg [100 50 50]
to your layout. Numbers mean intensities of red, green and blue.

3. Options in layout and export command are the same. In layout, you can
use

color map-fg 50

and in export command option -layout-color map-fg 50

HTH, S.

Bruce Mutton wrote:
> Ben
> I tried Stacho's suggestion, and it worked fine, although I think he
> abbreviated the syntax of the export command a bit much.  Here's my
more
> verbose version...
> 
> layout bruce-map-export
>   north true
>   scale 1 500
>   base-scale 1 500 
>   units metric 
>     
>   page-grid on
>   grid-size 100 100 100 metres
> #  layout-map-header 0 0 s  #causes error?
>   legend on
>   statistics explo all
>   statistics topo all
>   statistics carto all
>   statistics copyright all
>   debug on
> endlayout
> 
> export map -projection plan -layout bruce-map-export \
>   -layout-color map-fg 90 \  
>   -output SurveyPlan.pdf -fmt pdf  
> 
> Try this Ben.  The 90 gives a passage that is more lightly shaded than
50.
> Good Luck
> Bruce
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: address@hidden [mailto:address@hidden On
Behalf
> Of Cooper, Ben
> Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 3:44 a.m.
> To: address@hidden
> Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps
> 
> Hi Stacho,
> I've been wanting to get print-outs of XVI, too, so I am verry
> interested in your recommendation, below.  I've tried it, but this is
> the result I get: only the centreline is visible, not LRUD.
> - Ben Cooper 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: address@hidden [mailto:address@hidden On
> Behalf Of Stacho Mudrak
> Sent: 06 November 2007 12:24
> To: address@hidden
> Subject: Re: [Therion] Printing xvi maps
> 
> 
> ...<text removed>...
> 
> Stacho's  Example:
> 
> source
> map centerline-map
>   my-survey
> endmap
> endsource
> 
> select centerline-map
> export map.pdf -layout-color map-fg 50 -layout-scale 1 500
> 
> 
> ... where my-survey is the name of top-level survey. 
> 
> ...<text removed>...
> 
> Regards, S.
> 
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