Re: [Audio-video] [LibertX 0] Re: http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/ghm2013/Samuel_Thibault_Jean-Philippe_Mengual-Freedom_0_for_everybody_really_.text

[Samuel Thibault]

Hello,

(I'm back from vacation)

Richard Stallman, le Sun 27 Jul 2014 20:04:48 -0400, a écrit :
>     I didn t see yet the RMLL talks videos (I do not have enough internet
>     data access to watch them all currently), but I didn t see a such claim
>     in Samuel s talk  Where did you see it more precisely?
> 
> Here are excerpts that show the problems:
> 
>       And, even if Apple products are essentially binding you to
>     Apple products and removing freedom from you, they actually provide a
>     lot of freedom to a lot of people, just because then, they become able
>     to use the computer.  And I have to say that the free software doesn't
>     provide so much freedom, in that regard.
> 
> and here:
> 
>     It's actually a question of freedom.  Is it a legal freedom, freedom
>     #0?  Or is it a technical freedom?  Or is it about people, being able to
>     use the software?  In the past thirty years of GNU, we have pretty much
>     succeeded on the legal and technical aspects of freedom #0.
> 
> There may be more -- I have not tried to make an exhaustive list -- but these
> show what the problem is.

Ok.  As Alexandre thankfully explained, the problem is actually about
terms like "freedom" which have various meanings.  About Apple, I was
of course not meaning freedom as in "Freedom#0" defined by the FSF, but
rather the capabilities of doing things in one's life.

Just to explain:  I have made a couple of talks about accessibility
intended to developers in the past, and this time I wanted to try to be
a bit provocative, to heat the discussion a bit with the GNU hackers
about freedom#0 they mean to give to their users, and it did happen to
work during the discussion that went on after the talk.  I understand
that the terms I used are confusing.  This talk was actually meant for
GNU hackers who properly understood the meanings anyway, it was not
meant for other people.  The slides and talk I use for people outside
GNU hackers (be they developers, users, whatever.) would of course not
include such confusion.

Samuel