[Cardinal-dev] Fw:RE: Python and Parrot

[Matt Pattison]

Hi,
I saw this on the python list when someone brought up parrot. Not really
that complimentary, but it *could* be argued that any publicity is good 
publicity. And at least if people talk publicly about the misgvings or 
skepticism they have about something, it gives others the opportunity to 
refute or clear up misconceptions...

Matt

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From: Tim Peters <address@hidden>
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:16:11 -0400
Subject: RE: Python and Parrot
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[Johann Höchtl]
> Can someone quote a bit on Python --> Parrot
> (the upcoming VM  Perl 6 is about to use. Designed for weakly typed
> programing languages. See http://www.parrotcode.org )
>
>
> Recent progress has been very fast and according to
>
> http://use.perl.org/articles/02/07/03/2241212.shtml
>
> the progress of parrots implementation is even likely to speed up.

Umm, that says the Perl Foundation has run out of money to pay the principal
developers, and at least in Dan's case makes clear that he can't afford to
work for free ("unless ... comes through in the next few weeks, Dan will get
a full-time job and likely pass on the Parrot Design Hat").  This is likely
to speed progress in what sense?

> Recent speed measurements of the VM yielded very good results and the
> ruby folks already seem to have the Parrot VM as a target in mind.
>
> http://www.rubygarden.org/article.php?sid=234

Looks like that both started and petered out in May.  A better sense may be
gotten from Ruby's Parrot front-end project Wiki:

    http://www.rubygarden.org/ruby?CardinalProject

It appears inactive; the last edit on the home page was to remove the link
to the codebase:

    http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/cardinal/

which also appears to be inactive.  The development mailing list also looks
dormant now, after a small flurry of activity in May:

    http://mail.freesoftware.fsf.org/pipermail/cardinal-dev/


> Has the situation for Python changed ...

Not that I know of.  Andrew Kuchling has kept half an eye on Parrot in the
Python world, and AFAIK nobody else has volunteered time to do more than
that.  Parrot is a wonderfully ambitious project, but other commitments are
such that we've only been able to wish it well from a distance.




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