Re: [Denemo-devel] Copying/pasting between staffs

[Ken Restivo]

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 08:16:09AM +0000, Richard Shann wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-11-20 at 21:02 -0800, Ken Restivo wrote:
> > This is even weirder.
> > 
> > I wrote this bassline, input it in bass clef, then copied it to the guitar 
> > staff above it, which is G clef.
> > 
> > http://restivo.org/misc/denemo4.png
> > 
> This is purely a drawing bug in the display - the pasted notes are
> remembering how they were drawn before, and displaying themselves
> wrongly. Workaround:
> If you save and reload the file all is well.
> 
> > And, uh, the head directions are upside down, and also it's a whole step 
> > too low, I guess it didn't know to translate between clefs. Curiously, the 
> > MIDI notes DO know how to do that, and play correctly! Just shows up on 
> > screen wrong.
> > 
> > I looked at the transpose feature, but couldn't figure out the secret magic 
> > code to get it to just transpose up 1 whole step from what is shown on 
> > screen. 
> yes, it is horribly obscure (though there is a "user-friendly" way of
> setting the transposition, where you put two notes c, d in your score
> select them and then Edit->Transpose->Set Transpose Interval). The
> secret magic is that the transposition is in Dutch. Well, sort of
> international European, at least so the Germans would have us believe:)
> 
> So, in Dutch flat is "es" and sharp is "is" and so "c ees" takes c up to
> e-flat and hence a minor third higher.
> 

That's hilarious. Thanks for explaining, I never would have figured that out on 
my own. If there's some documentation somewhere explaning that, then my 
apologies for having missed it.
 

> 
> > There's this crazy note in there saying that "ees" means a minor third up. 
> > That makes no sense in any universe I know of.
> 
> >  Anything I try, transposes it a couple octaves below where it needs to be 
> > anyway.
> well, you have pasted from bass to treble, so the notes will be very low
> in the treble clef - pasting does not alter the notes *at all*. In your
> case it put them in the top staff, but got the drawing wrong because the
> top staff had a different clef. (I confess to being puzzled by that - I
> thought Nils had all that stuff sorted out...)
> 
> >  Numbers don't work. It's bizarre. So I guess I need to transpose it 13 or 
> > 25 half-steps above, and would love to just be able to put in the number of 
> > half-steps
> transposition is more complicated than a number of half steps, c ees is
> different from c dis even though it is the same number of half steps.
> (One is a minor third the other an augmented second).
> But in short, you probably don't need to transpose, except perhaps c c'
> to take some music up an octave (the guitar is actually notated in
> Octava Bassa clef isn't it, just that people draw an ordinary treble
> clef for it?)
> 
> Thanks for the comments!
> 

No prob. I'm sorry for being so cranky. I like this program a lot, it's very 
powerful, but after a few hours of using it, it seemed that everything in the 
way of my workflow was doing unexpected and bewildering things. Looks like it's 
mostly sorted now.

I've been waiting for years to find the right tool to do some 
composition/notation, and I think Denemo will be it.

It looks like a lot of it is written in Guile, and I've done enough Scheme 
coding to hopefully be able to submit patches, rather than just questions and 
bugreports.

Thanks again for writing this!

-ken