RE: Renaissance And The Web

[Mondragon, Ian]

i don't mean to be a purist snob here (although i tend to be, anyways), but
are people *really* thinking that it would be a *good* thing to run gnustep
apps...in a BROWSER?  sure, it might be "neat" and "clever", but c'mon...i
think we could improve alot of things before we go even seriously
considering doing this.

i can think of alot of ways the gnustep community could spend time &
development effort more effectively.  the GORM/Renaissance stuff is
understandable, but i think this is pushing the issue a bit far.

- ian

-----Original Message-----
From: Hippie Jack [mailto:hippiejack@fakevirus.net]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:58 PM
To: Stefan Urbanek
Cc: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Renaissance And The Web



Op 18-dec-03 om 22:17 heeft Stefan Urbanek het volgende geschreven:

> On 2003-12-18 21:50:30 +0100 fmoser@altern.org wrote:
>
>>> But I assume that it will be quite a challenge to 
>>> implement/represent all
>> GNUstep/Renaissance GUI widgets with (X)HTML and javascipt etc.
>> Someone already did that for the Mac OS X GUI, and the result is 
>> impressive.
>> The problem is I can't find it back...
>> Does anyone see which project I'm talking about?
>
> My comment is not really concerning Renaissance, but the idea of using 
> GNUstep UI through the web...
>
> What about feeding the Renaissance/Gorm interface through the web as 
> is with some kind of scripts/compilable objc code? On the user's side 
> the UI will be built as it is done currently by GNUstep apps, the 
> script should handle local events and for more stuff it will send 
> messages to a DO server on the other side. So, instead of:
>     HTTP+HTML->Web Browser
> there will be:
>     DO+Renaissance or DO+Gorm -> GNUstep UI Client
>
> Btw. in the newest cocoa there is quite nice class that can be used 
> just for that: NSNib. Just transport it through the net, connect it to 
> some proxy/script object and you have an UI for a remote server.
>
> Is that possible?
>
> Stefan Urbanek
> -- 
> http://stefan.agentfarms.net
>
> First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, 
> then you win.
> - Mahatma Gandhi

The advantage of using http + html is that you can use it everywhere, 
even on the nasty windows box of a friend. It would also mean a lot for 
server-side applications to have a good gui.
I actually thought about this a while ago when i was playing with 
svg/js. (which is fun, by the way)
Problem is, it'll be an awful lot of work..

One thing that's absolutely required is a browser that supports geturl 
and posturl from javascript. It works in mozilla, and also (but of 
course in a different way) in ie. It'll be in the new svg spec's if I'm 
right, so that's a good thing. svg would be much more suitable for this 
anyway.

alwin



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