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Re: Renaissance And The Web


From: Hippie Jack
Subject: Re: Renaissance And The Web
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:07:39 +0100

it's not that serious. just thoughts. There's nothing wrong with that.

Op 19-dec-03 om 20:44 heeft Mondragon, Ian het volgende geschreven:

i don't mean to be a purist snob here (although i tend to be, anyways), but are people *really* thinking that it would be a *good* thing to run gnustep apps...in a BROWSER? sure, it might be "neat" and "clever", but c'mon...i
think we could improve alot of things before we go even seriously
considering doing this.

i can think of alot of ways the gnustep community could spend time &
development effort more effectively.  the GORM/Renaissance stuff is
understandable, but i think this is pushing the issue a bit far.

- ian

-----Original Message-----
From: Hippie Jack [mailto:hippiejack@fakevirus.net]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:58 PM
To: Stefan Urbanek
Cc: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Renaissance And The Web



Op 18-dec-03 om 22:17 heeft Stefan Urbanek het volgende geschreven:

On 2003-12-18 21:50:30 +0100 fmoser@altern.org wrote:

But I assume that it will be quite a challenge to
implement/represent all
GNUstep/Renaissance GUI widgets with (X)HTML and javascipt etc.
Someone already did that for the Mac OS X GUI, and the result is
impressive.
The problem is I can't find it back...
Does anyone see which project I'm talking about?

My comment is not really concerning Renaissance, but the idea of using
GNUstep UI through the web...

What about feeding the Renaissance/Gorm interface through the web as
is with some kind of scripts/compilable objc code? On the user's side
the UI will be built as it is done currently by GNUstep apps, the
script should handle local events and for more stuff it will send
messages to a DO server on the other side. So, instead of:
    HTTP+HTML->Web Browser
there will be:
    DO+Renaissance or DO+Gorm -> GNUstep UI Client

Btw. in the newest cocoa there is quite nice class that can be used
just for that: NSNib. Just transport it through the net, connect it to
some proxy/script object and you have an UI for a remote server.

Is that possible?

Stefan Urbanek
--
http://stefan.agentfarms.net

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,
then you win.
- Mahatma Gandhi

The advantage of using http + html is that you can use it everywhere,
even on the nasty windows box of a friend. It would also mean a lot for
server-side applications to have a good gui.
I actually thought about this a while ago when i was playing with
svg/js. (which is fun, by the way)
Problem is, it'll be an awful lot of work..

One thing that's absolutely required is a browser that supports geturl
and posturl from javascript. It works in mozilla, and also (but of
course in a different way) in ie. It'll be in the new svg spec's if I'm
right, so that's a good thing. svg would be much more suitable for this
anyway.

alwin



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