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Re: Plans for ahead
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H. Nikolaus Schaller |
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Re: Plans for ahead |
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Sun, 29 Nov 2015 15:48:21 +0100 |
Am 29.11.2015 um 15:16 schrieb Riccardo Mottola <riccardo.mottola@libero.it>:
> Hi,
>
> Gregory Casamento wrote:
>>> I absolutely want "our" menus, they are distinctive and useful and if I were
>>> >to make a reference distribution, I'd want to retain that.
>> They are OLD. More important than their usefulness is what they
>> invoke and that is they make people think that we are NeXTSTEP and
>> OPENSTEP only. Like it or not our old look is part of our problem.
>> I'm sorry you don't like this fact, but it is based on tons of first
>> hand observation over the last ten years.
>
> I'm sorry you mix look and with interface design. Facts and factoids.
>
> Actually, our menus are NEW, they are newer than in-window menus and
> one-menu-bar on the top which came from Mac and Motif/OS2/Windows. They have
> close parents and predecessors (e.g. SGI menus, Amiga menus) but NeXT made
> them consistent.
>
> The interaction with our menus makes NeXT & GNUstep distinctive and as trying
> to port applications back and forth it allows for a unique interaction. It
> allows, for example to have very smooth document based applications which are
> impossible to achieve (as still the latest office suite of a big software
> company proves) with in-window menus.
> It offers the same functionality as a top menu bar, but is more flexible and
> works well with big screens or multiple-screens. We do not need to invent
> things like "tearable menus" and even "palettes" are not strictly necessary.
>
> Thus, playing the same song is of no good for anybody.
That is IMHO all correct about being distinctive, unique and consistent over
multiple screens, but you don't see that in a screenshot. There you only get
the look, not the feel.
Imagine, someone from outside our community successfully installs GNUstep, is
happy about how applications work and writes a blog entry, he/she will add
screen shots which indeed looks old fashioned to his/her readers. This spreads
a negative touch (except for fans of retro look). Unless some default theme
looks "modern" or "vivid" or "up-to-date".
Just my 2 cts.
BR,
Nikolaus
- Re: Plans for ahead, (continued)
- Re: Plans for ahead, Gregory Casamento, 2015/11/29
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- Re: Plans for ahead, Gregory Casamento, 2015/11/29
- Re: Plans for ahead, Gregory Casamento, 2015/11/29
- Re: Plans for ahead, Fred Kiefer, 2015/11/29
- Re: Plans for ahead, Gregory Casamento, 2015/11/29
- Re: Plans for ahead, richard, 2015/11/29
- Re: Plans for ahead, Gregory Casamento, 2015/11/29
- Re: Plans for ahead, Riccardo Mottola, 2015/11/29
- Re: Plans for ahead, Adam S, 2015/11/29
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- Re: Plans for ahead, Alessandro Sangiuliano, 2015/11/29
- Re: Plans for ahead, Riccardo Mottola, 2015/11/29
- Re: Plans for ahead, Gregory Casamento, 2015/11/29
- Re: Plans for ahead, Gaël Elegoët, 2015/11/29
- Re: Plans for ahead, Gregory Casamento, 2015/11/29
- Re: Plans for ahead, James Carthew, 2015/11/29
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