Re: Plans for ahead

[Luis Garcia Alanis]

I agree with Alessandro! I love NeXT look, but IDK how much is just nostalgia for a time long gone.

Now we need to know how to approach this????

1) We need support from the team if the theme is to get anywhere, or at least a dictatorial hand that can forge the direction of the project. Gregory Casamento, Gregory Casamento, Gregory Casamento, Gregory Casamento, Gregory Casamento, do you like the idea of starting with an initial theme of Rik?? and polish that theme?

2) We need to put the code on the soruce tree and make it the default. Again Gregory Casamentos voice is needed since he is the project mantainer.

3) we need to define what is needed in terms of icons/and missing theme features. Also can we take/borrow/modify some GPL related gnome icons? at least for an initial release? Gregory Casamento? eventually when someone savy and qualified appears we can create our own. We are talking MVP here to take advantage of the momentum.

Thanks

Luis

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Alessandro Sangiuliano <a01000010@gmail.com> wrote:

Il giorno 03/dic/2015, alle ore 18:04, Riccardo Mottola <riccardo.mottola@libero.it> ha scritto:

Hi Liam,


Liam Proven wrote:

If we can get more exposure for GNUstep, get it in front of more
people, get it better known, then it will get more interest, more code
contributions, more development.

I don't want to change it. Improve it, yes. Change it, no.

Improvement is a Change, change is not always improvement! Becoming more flexible about the appearance, while improving even the default one is not an impossible goal.

I'm in part interested in it because it looks like NeXTstep, and I
think NeXTstep is the best-looking desktop there has ever been. So I
am strongly opposed to those who want new themes: I think it already
is nearly perfect and all the alternative themes are less attractive,
to me.

Thanks for these words. Sometimes I feel the only one that likes the NeXT paradigm.
I am into GNUstep also because of the way it feels, not just because of the APIs!
I don't like these themes as Rik's that are just a Mac mock.

Well, yes and no, I also can say that the default GNUstep theme, is just a NeXT mock, and probably is because many people don’t like it. Rik could appear as a Mac mock, but I and Riccardo Canalicchio implemented it to show what GNUstep can do and can be (NeXT-like with the original theme, modern-like using the concept of theming coming from Cocoa, because GNUstep is following Cocoa now right?), so it is more than a simple Mac mock. I also, with some classes, modify the beavhior of certain GUI elements, like NSPopUpButton, to behave as a modern DE; indeed for e.g, it now tracks the mouse events, when the cursor is inside the cellFrame of the PopUp Button; before this little modification, a person had to click the mouse button, then stay with the button clicked, drag the cursor to the items of the PopUpButton, and finally release the mouse button to choice the item of interest; it was intercepting mouseUp events to select items. I don’t like the original behavior that’s is clearly coming from NeXT… I also know a person that has a little problem on his hand, the one he uses to move the mouse. He can’t stay with the mouse button pushed and, at the same time, drag the mouse to the item of interest; he just can’t; in the world I strongly think that he isn’t the only person with this kind of problem(s); so Rik is also looking to the accessibility, in the concept of “easy to use” to every one, also for people that have a similar and little handicap (now just click on the element of interest inside the menu generated from NSPupUpButton, as you do in Windows, Gnome 3, Os X, KDE, XFCE, Enlightenment, MATE/GNOME 2, Fluxbox and also wmaker’s menus). 

Fortunately GNUstep is flexible in this field and satisfies our need, it supports theming and different interface styles, and this put all together; but if we are saying on the site that we are following Cocoa, then we have to show that we are following Cocoa, and to show that we are following Cocoa, we should do that from the “first impact”, and the first impact it’s ever the look, especially for people that don’t know GNUstep internals (API, features, what is, what does, etc). 

Cheers,

Alex.

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