Re: python.el fixes for Emacs 22

[Barry Warsaw]

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Let me just say that of all the cool Ken hacks that I've become  
addicted to over the years, probably the most useful to my daily life  
is pdbtrack.  To me, it's an absolutely essential tool for a Python  
programmer, and it makes all my vim-loving colleagues positively  
drool. :)  (BTW, why do all the kids love vim these days?)

On Feb 20, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Ken Manheimer wrote:
> the way you've implemented it, you put the comint hook only in the
> python-shell.  the thing is, python programs aren't only run from
> python-shell.

In fact, I'd say almost never in my experience.  I use pyshell for  
some simple experimentation, but 99% of the time run my programs from  
the shell, with a strategically placed "import pdb; pdb.set_trace()"  
line in the problematic code.  pdbtrack makes debugging this way  
efficient and fun.

> in fact, many python programs and servers are usually
> launched as regular commands, from bash shells.  in python-mode.el,
> pdb tracking is hooked into all comint shells, and i would like to see
> that same thing in the python.el version.

Yes, absolutely a must.

> also, i've also been talking with barry and skip, who would also be
> interested in seeing the python mode versions converge.  i do see that
> python-mode.el is actively maintained - it's current with the
> pre-release python 3.0, and it looks like a much more complete
> language mode than python.el.  would there be interest in helping to
> get this convergence?  is python.el actively maintained, and if so,
> would the maintainers be interested in helping consolidate the
> versions?

I think Skip just recently added some support to python-mode.el for  
Python 3.0 syntax, and between the two of us, we do try to keep the  
mode up-to-date with the language.  I think there will be an  
interesting discussion about how to, or even if we should, try to  
support both Python 2.6 and 3.0 in the same mode.

Skip and I are both very interested in converging the modes.  It's  
silly and confusing to our users for there to be more than one Python  
mode.  However, Skip and I are primarily XEmacs users so we need to  
work together to make sure the code is portable between the two Emacsen.

I would like to move python-mode.el out of the Python tree, and  
actually off of Subversion and SourceForge, and onto Bazaar and  
Launchpad.  Would the python.el folks be up for converging on that?

- -Barry

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