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Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?
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Eli Zaretskii |
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Re: Why not zlib-compress-region? |
Date: |
Sat, 28 Jun 2014 20:00:34 +0300 |
> From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <address@hidden>
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> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 01:30:51 +0900
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> Eli Zaretskii writes:
>
> > I know about the package managers, I just wanted to make a point that
> > AFAIU end-user Posix systems might well lack a compiler. AFAIR, on
> > non-free Posix systems, installing a compiler actually costs money.
>
> Not on Mac OS X. And how many important non-free POSIX systems aren't
> supported by GCC (not to mention The-Compiler-Suite-That-Shall-Not-Be-
> Mentioned-On-GNU-Channels)?
Again, building GCC is not something an end user would easily consider
when all she needs is to be able to use some plugin.
> The real problem for those is more likely whether there is an
> enterprise requirement for vetting all installed software.
Yes, that too.
> FFI implementations that *don't* require compilers have their
> problems, too, since Lisp types sometimes map to different C types for
> different libraries, which requires a lot of fiddly low-level
> knowledge on the part of the Lisp programmers that (if they stick to
> pure Lisp) they just don't need at all. FFI == crashable Lisp.
Something to consider, I'm sure. But that doesn't make the problem of
having to have a working compiler installation in any way.
> > > usually without going through DLL hell
> >
> > (This is unrelated.) I don't believe in package managers as a
> > means to avoid the "DLL hell". Dependencies are written by people,
> > which are prone to errors, and having several libFOO.so versions on
> > the same system, even if their names don't conflict, is not fun.
>
> I have a bunch of them (three versions of GTK, two of libpng for
> example). I don't notice it at all
I have more than "a bunch" of them, too. This is not about you or me,
you know.
> > We are talking about the compiler and Binutils. Building those,
> > especially the former, is not for the faint at heart, not even on a
> > Posix host.
>
> Nonsense. I do it about once a month, sometimes twice a week
> (automatically via Gentoo's Portage PMS, which always builds from
> source).
Again, this is not about you or me.
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, (continued)
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Leo Liu, 2014/06/26
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Stefan Monnier, 2014/06/26
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Aurélien Aptel, 2014/06/27
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Stefan Monnier, 2014/06/27
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Dmitry Antipov, 2014/06/27
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Stefan Monnier, 2014/06/27
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/06/28
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2014/06/28
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/06/28
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2014/06/28
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?,
Eli Zaretskii <=
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Eli Zaretskii, 2014/06/28
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2014/06/28
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Stefan Monnier, 2014/06/29
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Paul Eggert, 2014/06/28
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Richard Stallman, 2014/06/28
- Re: Why not zlib-compress-region?, Ted Zlatanov, 2014/06/27