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Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer
From: |
Eli Zaretskii |
Subject: |
Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer |
Date: |
Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:59:18 +0300 |
> From: address@hidden (Phillip Lord)
> Cc: address@hidden, address@hidden
> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 21:23:28 +0100
>
> > Expect it to be adopted if it makes our jobs simpler, like faster, or
> > saves us from doing some of the stuff at all. Otherwise, you will
> > have difficulty convincing at least me to move.
>
> *shrugs*
>
> As with everything, it will makes things somewhat slower during
> adoption.
That's for sure, but I wasn't talking about the transition period.
> And I can only give you anecdotal evidence that it will make things
> better after adoption.
The number of manual actions one needs to do when processing a patch
can be counted, and the counts can be compared. The "normal" speed of
each operation can also be measured. So I see no issues of coming up
with a more-or-less objective assessment of the proposed workflow vs
the existing one.
My problem is with having to learn a new system just because it's
considered (or even is) "newer" or "more shiny" or presents a prettier
graphics than the old one. These alone are IMO not enough to justify
the effort of learning yet another tool.
> > Also, I think the solution should support text-mode browsers, such as
> > Lynx or Emacs's eww on TTY frames. IOW, anything that requires GUI
> > and won't work otherwise is probably out of question to begin with.
> > (This requirement is not for me personally.)
>
> If that is a hard requirement, then I think we are not going to get much
> further with a web 2.0 program. The best option is going to be somewhere
> to host clones for developers, and then use debbugs.
>
> But, it really is a hard requirement.
I don't know if this is a hard requirement, it isn't mine. I don't
use Lynx. I do use Emacs on a TTY, for remotely accessing other
machines, and I do sometimes need to be able to fix bugs and commit
changes from such a remote session. So a solution that can be
reasonably used from a TTY frame in Emacs or from a shell prompt will
be welcome.
Also, if a Web interface is really required for all the proposed
alternatives, then it means I'll have to leave Emacs and fire up a Web
browser, right? Because EWW, as good as it is (and it is good), is
still not up to that level, is it?
- Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer, (continued)
Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer, Stefan Monnier, 2016/07/20
- Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer, Phillip Lord, 2016/07/21
- Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer, Phillip Lord, 2016/07/21
- Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer, joakim, 2016/07/21
- Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer,
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- Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer, Lars Ingebrigtsen, 2016/07/22
- Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer, Lars Ingebrigtsen, 2016/07/22
- Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer, Robert Weiner, 2016/07/22
- Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/07/22
- Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer, Robert Weiner, 2016/07/22
Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer, Ted Zlatanov, 2016/07/22
Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer, Stefan Monnier, 2016/07/22
Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer, Eli Zaretskii, 2016/07/22
Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer, Stefan Monnier, 2016/07/22
Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer, Phillip Lord, 2016/07/22