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Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again
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Tom Lord |
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Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again |
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Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:58:52 -0800 (PST) |
> From: Andrew Suffield <address@hidden>
> > The FSF has never tried to define "free" in some general sense. They
> > (and RMS) are pretty narrowly focused. They have a very nuanced
> > assesment of the meaning of "free" and the cliched account of the
> > "Debian position" is that Debian has a very blunt and somewhat idiotic
> > conception.
> It's quite simple, really. RMS has stated that (a) the GFDL is
> not a "free software" license, and (b) it is not meant to be,
> but he has ignored questions as to what "free" means in its
> name, or what constitutes a "free documentation" license
He has not ignored such questions.
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-doc.html
for example. I've seen numerous writings by RMS on the topic over the
years and knew at once that you are being unfair in your summary of
his position.
A couple of months ago I went and reviewed a few years of the Debian
legal mailing list discussions with and at RMS on this topic. Your
reply here reminds me of those. To call the exchange a "discussion"
is being charitable to Debian folks who advocated for (again, a
charitable description) a change to documentation licensing.
> (while the FSF's definition of "free software" is quite clear
> and agreeable).
More interesting than the definition, I think, is the spirit of its
aim. That spirit is consistent with GFDL. That spirit is why v2+ is
a sane choice.
> We don't know what he's thinking, because he refuses to talk
> about it.
He does not. He refused at one point to suffer further abuse on the
debian legal list. That's not the same thing.
> But we're pretty sure that we're only interested in
> "free software", and not this other "free" stuff, and we can
> conclude that when he says "free" he doesn't always mean "free
> software". So now we have to be careful.
Well, what is _your_ definition of "free", since you think it is
applicable as a touchstone which must be used to test any FSF
licensee?
-t
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, (continued)
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, Andrew Suffield, 2004/03/24
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, Aaron Bentley, 2004/03/24
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, Andrew Suffield, 2004/03/24
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, Aaron Bentley, 2004/03/24
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, Andrew Suffield, 2004/03/24
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, Aaron Bentley, 2004/03/24
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, Andrew Suffield, 2004/03/25
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, Aaron Bentley, 2004/03/25
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, James Blackwell, 2004/03/25
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, Cameron Patrick, 2004/03/26
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again,
Tom Lord <=
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, Andrew Suffield, 2004/03/24
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, Tom Lord, 2004/03/24
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, Aaron Bentley, 2004/03/24
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2004/03/26
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, Aaron Bentley, 2004/03/26
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, Andrew Suffield, 2004/03/25
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, James Blackwell, 2004/03/24
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, Tom Lord, 2004/03/22
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, Aaron Bentley, 2004/03/22
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] Front page to wiki now modifiable again, Tom Lord, 2004/03/22