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Re[2]: RFC: GDL2 differences to EOF / WO4.5.1
From: |
Manuel Guesdon |
Subject: |
Re[2]: RFC: GDL2 differences to EOF / WO4.5.1 |
Date: |
Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:20:36 +0100 (CET) |
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:37:16 +0100 David Ayers <address@hidden> wrote:
>| Manuel Guesdon wrote:
>|
>| >Hi David,
>| >
>| >On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:23:18 +0100 David Ayers <address@hidden> wrote:
>| >
>| > >| Hello Manuel,
>| > >|
>| > >| I'm coming up with oddities of EOF 3.0 of WO4.5.1 and subtle
>differences
>| > >| to GDL2 here and there:
>| > >| - EONull compareAscending: nil returns NSOrderedAscending instead of
>| > >| NSOrderedSame
>| >
>| >I have no specific preference.
>| >
>| >
>| I think GDL2 behaviour is correct so I would like keep it.
OK.
>| > >| - EOModel does not implement isEqual:
>| >
>| >And WO4.5 does ? So we'll to implement it...
>| >
>| No it doesn't, but I think GDL2 should anyway. (It's rather trivial,
>| but it changes behaviour.)
OK.
Do you know what are the implication of this ? I don't see many case where
we need to compare models. I haven't really an opinion in this.
>| > >| And I haven't gotten far enough into .gswd/.wod-parsing to analyse the
>| > >| GDL2 feature of NSDictionary valueForKeyPath and quoted key names. I
>| > >| would like to propose the following default:
>| > >| GSUseStrictWO451Compatiblity or GSUseStrictEOF451Compatiblity or
>| > >| GSUseStrictEOF30?Compatiblity or what ever better name someone comes
>up
>| > >| with.
>| >
>| >I don't like too much this kind of things because if you use 2 frameworks
>or
>| >libraries which set a different behaviour, the result is unknown and may
>| >depend on some calling order.
>| >I still don't see real problem with quoted key names but if you want to
>make have
>| >a parameter to control this, I'm OK :-)
>| >
>| >
>| Well the point is that as soon as I continue to fine tune the tests,
>| more and more of these issues will arise, and I wanted to put a general
>| mechanism in place, which I could consistently use. But I do recognize
>| your concerns...
I think we should try to avoid this but if we can't , yes, I agree with your
solution.
>| > >| - have [EOModel isEqual:] call super instead of a sane isEqual:
>| > >| implementation, that I would like to have a look at later.
>| >
>| >For this one, WO4.5 implementation should be OK, shouldn't it ?
>| >
>| >
>| >
>| Actually it was during writing testcases that I noticed that it wasn't
>| implemented. And it's not implemented in WO4.5 either. I just think we
>| should.
OK.
>| Testing OS 4.2 vs WO 4.5 show some substantual differences in KVC of
>| NSDictionary when was looking into GDL2 quoted key feature. I know that
>| many of these are edge cases and subtle differences that cause no
>| immediate harm in 98% of the usages. But in my experience, it's these
>| 2% edge cases which makeup an unproportional amount of the debugging
>| effort, especially when porting. This was my original concern.
>|
>| On the other hand it is doubtful that all edge cases can be identitfied,
>| no matter how estensive the tests are. And I may end up adding a lot of
>| extensive edge case handling and still miss the ones that are causing
>| problems. I also mean to keep and add comprehensive features, that are
>| not part of EOF, and these might also trigger such problems.
>|
>| In retrospect, I'm thinking of holding the default back for now and
>| leaving GDL2 behaviour as it is in these edge conditions and comment
>| code and test cases. I'll sleep over it again. Comments appreciated.
On KVC, yes I suspect some differences but I've never found a way to fully
understand WO cooking on this. I suspect this because some WO versions ago,
they made differences between EOGenericRecord and EOCustomRecord.
As far as I remember, one can't subclass EOGenericRecord and need to
use EOCustomRecord for subclassing. I don't know if this is still true in last
WO 4.x version and/or WO5.
Base+GDL2 implementation seems to handle all cases but may one will find a
specific one which doesn't work :-(
Manuel
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- RFC: GDL2 differences to EOF / WO4.5.1, David Ayers, 2003/03/12
- Re: RFC: GDL2 differences to EOF / WO4.5.1, Manuel Guesdon, 2003/03/12
- Re: RFC: GDL2 differences to EOF / WO4.5.1, David Ayers, 2003/03/12
- Re[2]: RFC: GDL2 differences to EOF / WO4.5.1,
Manuel Guesdon <=
- Re: RFC: GDL2 differences to EOF / WO4.5.1, Giulio Cesare Solaroli, 2003/03/26
- Re: RFC: GDL2 differences to EOF / WO4.5.1, David Ayers, 2003/03/26
- Re: RFC: GDL2 differences to EOF / WO4.5.1, Stéphane Corthésy, 2003/03/26
- Re: RFC: GDL2 differences to EOF / WO4.5.1, Giulio Cesare Solaroli, 2003/03/26
- Re: RFC: GDL2 differences to EOF / WO4.5.1, David Ayers, 2003/03/27
- Re: RFC: GDL2 differences to EOF / WO4.5.1, Giulio Cesare Solaroli, 2003/03/27
- Re: RFC: GDL2 differences to EOF / WO4.5.1, David Ayers, 2003/03/27
- Re: RFC: GDL2 differences to EOF / WO4.5.1, Adam Fedor, 2003/03/27
- Re: RFC: GDL2 differences to EOF / WO4.5.1, David Ayers, 2003/03/27
- Re: RFC: GDL2 differences to EOF / WO4.5.1, Marco Scheurer, 2003/03/27