Re: lecker lek-ker in "old" German lyrics

[Alexander Kobel]

On 03/09/2013 06:37 PM, Olivier Biot wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Alexander Kobel <address@hidden
> <mailto:address@hidden>> wrote:
>
>     On 03/08/2013 10:19 AM, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
>
>
>         On 03/08/2013 03:52 PM, address@hidden
>         <mailto:address@hidden> wrote:
>
>             Hello,
>
>             Some German lyrics from before the times of Neue Deutsche
>             Rechtschreibung
>             feature ck between two syllables. Without Hyphen it is
>             "lecker", with
>             hyphen
>             it is "lek-ker". Using lec -- ker or lek -- ker ( on purpose
>             not le --
>             cker)
>             the hyphen may or may not appear. Is there anything beyond
>             trial and
>             error
>             to avoid lec-ker or lekker?
>
>             Some time ago there was an idea of introducing "lek == ker"
>             for forcing
>             a hyphen but otherwise no change to formatting compared to
>             "lek -- ker".
>             Has there happened anything since (I did not find anything
>             in the 2.16
>             doc)?
>
>         The following should make it:
>
>         \context {
>         \Lyrics
>         \override LyricHyphen #'minimum-distance = #1
>         }
>
>
>     I think Klaus did not ask for forcing the hyphen to be visible, or
>     forcing it to be hidden, but instead choose the letters depending on
>     whether the hyphen appears or not in that place (with automatic
>     deduction how cramped the space is).
>
>
> So this boils down to finding a functional hyphenation algorithm for
> each language.

True.

> If no hyphen is needed, then write "lecker". Otherwise write "lek-ker".
> On a side note, I didn't know this German hyphenation variant. In Dutch
> we have similar constructs involving the use (or not) of accents, such
> as in "zoëven/zo-even" and "beëdigde/be-edigde/beë-dig-de/" involving
> even more than one variant.

I don't get why the last one is more than one variant; isn't it the way 
that the little dots (don't know their name right now) disappear if and 
only if there is a hyphen just in front of the letter?

On a different side note, it'd also be really nice if one could specify 
that no additional space should be introduced if there is no hyphen. At 
least that's how hand-engraved scores seem to do if horizontal space is 
at a premium: write the word as one word, even if the alignment to the 
note heads is slightly off.
But I guess and hope that's also part of Janek's ongoing work?


Best,
Alexander