Re: kn-itrans.mim: About the updates in https://github.com/indic-transliteration/m17n-db-indic

[Vishvas Vasuki]

On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 at 02:12, Mike FABIAN <mfabian@redhat.com> wrote:

Mike FABIAN <mfabian@redhat.com> さんはかきました:

> "विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)" <vishvas.vasuki@gmail.com> さんはかきました:
>
>>>    ("GY" "ಜ್ಞ್")
>>>    ("jn" "ಜ್ಞ್")
>>>    ("j~n" "ಜ್ಞ್")
>>>    ("dny" "ಜ್ಞ್")                 ; not in ITRANS Kannada table
>>>    ("x" "ಕ್ಷ್")
>>> +  ("LLL" "ಳ್ಳ್")
>>>
>>
>> This is because kaLLa ought to produce ಕಳ್ಳ, but fails to do so (not sure
>> why). Could you solve this as well?
>
> Investigating this one now.
>
> By the way, hi-itrans.mim has
>
> ("LLL" "ळ्ळ्")
>
> i.e. it uses the same “hack” to get that LL consonant cluster by typing
> an extra L. Typing "LL" with hi-itrans.mim just yields "LL".
> But in http://aksharamukha.appspot.com/converter/ "LL" yields "ळ्ळ्".
> Is that wrong? Should "LL" already yield "ळ्ळ्" in hi-itrans.mim
> and should "LL" in kn-itrans.mim already yield "ಳ್ಳ್"? In
> http://aksharamukha.appspot.com/converter/ "LL" yields "ಳ್ಳ್" when I
> choose Roman (ITRANS) and Kannada.

If I do only this change to kn-itrans.mim:

diff --git a/MIM/kn-itrans.mim b/MIM/kn-itrans.mim
index 0b26291..78a8838 100644
--- a/MIM/kn-itrans.mim
+++ b/MIM/kn-itrans.mim
@@ -143,7 +143,7 @@ on 18 Aug 2005.
   ("j~n" "ಜ್ಞ್")
   ("dny" "ಜ್ಞ್")                 ; not in ITRANS Kannada table
   ("x" "ಕ್ಷ್")
-  ("LLL" "ಳ್ಳ್")
+  ;;("LLL" "ಳ್ಳ್")
   ("ks" "ಕ್ಸ್")
   ("ksh" "ಕ್ಷ್")
  )


then "LL" yields "ಳ್ಳ್" and I don’t have to type "LLL" to get "ಳ್ಳ್".
That seems to agree better with what
http://aksharamukha.appspot.com/converter/ does.

Isn’t it more natural to type only two "L" to get two "ಳ್"?

Yes it is.

In case of devanAgarI, however, ळ्ळ् (LL) is rarer than ऌ (LLi) and ॡ (LLI).  

Is there a way to ensure that all three work in both kn and hi (that would be ideal)?

 

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