Re: [vile] mini-buffer question

[Thomas Dickey]

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| From: "Thomas Dickey" <address@hidden>
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| Cc: "Vile List" <address@hidden>
| Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 7:58:52 AM
| Subject: Re: [vile] mini-buffer question
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| ----- Original Message -----
| | From: "Thomas Dickey" <address@hidden>
| | To: address@hidden
| | Cc: "Vile List" <address@hidden>
| | Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 7:55:20 AM
| | Subject: Re: [vile] mini-buffer question
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| | ----- Original Message -----
| | | From: "Gary Jennejohn" <address@hidden>
| | | To: "Thomas Dickey" <address@hidden>
| | | Cc: "j. van den hoff" <address@hidden>, "Vile List"
| | | <address@hidden>
| | | Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 6:54:57 AM
| | | Subject: Re: [vile] mini-buffer question
| | | 
| | | On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 06:16:50 -0400 (EDT)
| | | Thomas Dickey <address@hidden> wrote:
| | | 
| | | > ----- Original Message -----
| | | > | From: "j. van den hoff" <address@hidden>
| | | > | To: "Vile List" <address@hidden>, "Paul Fox"
| | | > | <address@hidden>
| | | > | Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 5:50:20 AM
| | | > | Subject: Re: [vile] mini-buffer question
| | | > | 
| | | > | On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 01:11:07 +0100, Paul Fox
| | | > | <address@hidden>
| | | > | wrote:
| | | > | 
| | | > | > wayne wrote:
| | | > | >  > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 01:56:44PM -0400, Wayne Cuddy
| | | > | >  > wrote:
| | | > | >  > > I would certainly prefer having to hit ^V prior to
| | | > | >  > > inserting
| | | > | > "special"
| | | > | >  > > characters, but I'm the only one who uses vile. Not
| | | > | >  > > only
| | | > | >  > > is
| | | > | >  > > that the
| | | > | >  > > traditional vi behavior but most shells default to
| | | > | >  > > that
| | | > | >  > > as
| | | > | >  > > well. Of
| | | > | >  > > course it can be worked around but in my old age my
| | | > | >  > > muscle
| | | > | >  > > memory
| | | > | > takes
| | | > | >  > > precedence over my mental memory :)
| | | > | >  >
| | | > | >  > HA HA that should have read "not the only one who uses
| | | > | >  > vile".
| | | > | >  > That one
| | | > | >  > gave me a laugh.
| | | > | >
| | | > | > my thought was, "well, i think there are at least 3 of
| | | > | > us..."
| | | > | >  :-)
| | | > | 
| | | > | still a too pessimistic assessment ;-)
| | | > | 
| | | > | joerg
| | | > 
| | | > I have an impression that actual users are a lot more than
| | | > those
| | | > on
| | | > the
| | | > mailing list - perhaps several hundred to low thousands
| | | > worldwide.
| | | > That's not really a large number, but it's not negligible.
| | | > 
| | | 
| | | Do you have any statistics for the number of Windows downloads?
| | | How about source?
| | 
| | There are logs, but the site (I use an ISP package...) doesn't do
| | analysis on the ftp downloads.
| | I recall that my website gets ~6000 page hits a day, and
| | xterm+ncurses account for 80-90% of that,
| | with lynx and vile accounting about about 2/3 of the remainder.
| | 
| | | I always install WinVile when I'm forced to use Windows.  And
| | | I always install at least xvile under FreeBSD.  Unfortunately,
| | | since I gave up maintaining the vile/xvile ports it's no longer
| | | possible to have both installed at the same time :(
| | | 
| | | Of course, now adays many FreeBSD users install using pkg(7),
| | | so you wouldn't have any statistics for that.
| | | 
| | 
| | right.  Debian has popcon (I don't supply figures for that, because
| | I install lots of packages for no other reason than to research
| | bugs).
| | It says 193 installs of vile here -
| | http://popcon.debian.org/source/by_inst,
| | versus (the other programs I work on):
| | 
| | 1093292 ncurses,
| | 105126 xterm,
| | 45949 lynx-cur,
| | 26533 diffstat,
| | 23563 dialog,
| | 3464 libcdk5
| | 1756 byacc,
| | 369 bcpp,
| | 105 cproto,
| | 92 vttest,
| | 51 tapecalc (add)
| | 
| | Considering that I work actively on vile (more than lynx),
| | but not on for several years on bcpp (and not much on cdk),
| | I would say that vile is under-appreciated.
| | 
| | On the other hand, I wouldn't regard figures from a popularity
| | contest as usable...
| 
| for instance
| 
| http://joeyh.name/blog/entry/the_popcon_problem/
| http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/popcon-are-you-or-out

more pertinently:

516930 vim
3866 nvi
782  elvis
749  elvis-tiny

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Thomas E. Dickey <address@hidden>
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