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| From: | Olivier Geffroy |
| Subject: | Re: [Dolibarr-dev] Dolibarr 5.0 freeze and new version 4.0.2 |
| Date: | Wed, 16 Nov 2016 19:14:10 +0100 |
On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 12:16 AM, Yannick Warnier <address@hidden> wrote:Hi Charles,
I would try to avoid suggesting that you should answer this, so just so you know I'm just explaining, I'm not trying to launch you on another Star Destroyer campaign to destroy the current structure of the Dolibarr project.
You seem to be new to the way Open Source works. If you do not agree with the way things are handled and you think you can do better, you are completely free to fork the project. That's just in case you didn't know.
Open Source development just works in a different way because, as opposed to closed-source software developed inside a single company, there is no way to have all contributors timelines match, so the status of one version is never "completely finished" for all modules. It might be upsetting to you, but it's the way it works. This is the case for huge projects, not only Dolibarr.
Regarding Darth Vador, as the leaders of the Ubuntu project once put it, Open Source is *not* a democracy, it's a meritocracy based on contributions and helpfulness to others.
Democracy may work for governments and the political sphere, but in software communities, what counts is that you can ensure the project continues to work in the long run, and that is done by enforcing a very precise balance between too little rules and too many rules. If you set too many rules, chances are new people will not get involved into the project. If you set too little rules, people will do whatever they like and you'll end up with hundreds of forks and bloated forums.
Laurent has been driving the Dolibarr project for years now. With the help of many, yes, but nevertheless, Dolibarr would probably have disappeared without him providing the necessary stability to the software contributions, forum, etc.
As such, and as far as I am aware, Laurent is the biggest BDFL of Dolibarr. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictator_for_life
Pretending to come after a few months of activity on the project and wanting to change everything is not going to work because that happened before and those same people who came and shouted for changes went away and the project continued without them.
I myself worked on Dolibarr in 2004 or so and I'm still around reading your posts (and still using Dolibarr as well), see?
Although the way the project is handled or some technical stuff might not please me, I personally don't see think following the changes you suggest will bring anything substantially different. As Laurent said, you can already choose the rythm of your upgrades yourself.
If what you want is to reduce your amount of work to integrate modules, please consider that this is likely to increase the amount of work of others. Of course, you could go and try to demonstrate that it won't, but the time you will take to demonstrate that will render the time gained by applying the suggested changes useless.
Seeing how this discussion drags on and there's little written support for Laurent, I thought I'd voice the thoughts of other people reading this and not wanting to take part because we have better things to do with our lives.
Thanks Laurent for your patience, as always. Most appreciated.
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Cheers,
Yannick Warnier
BDSL and association's elected president
Chamilo projectI could not resist, very well written and explained. This is also my opinion, there was so many times the same problem with the same person, but the reality is, that as Yannick said, fork it if you are not satisfied and do it your own baby.RgdsSaxa
Le 08/11/16 à 15:50, Charles Benke a écrit :
In the star wars saga, the emperor was the one to make decisions, the
Jedi had a council governing collegially…
May the force be with you…
Bien cordialement,
Charlie Benke
*De :*Dolibarr-dev
[mailto:dolibarr-dev-bounces+charles.fr =address@hidden] *De la part
de* Laurent Destailleur (aka Eldy)
*Envoyé :* mardi 8 novembre 2016 21:07
*À :* Posts about Dolibarr ERP & CRM development and coding
<address@hidden>
*Objet :* Re: [Dolibarr-dev] Dolibarr 5.0 freeze and new version 4.0.2
The status of new module you mention is the status when the freeze start.
It is only at the end of the beta we can know if they are moved with
stable status.
Also a major version is not necessarly a version with a new module. You
probably decide this yourself but it is not.
So please again, stop trying to deny Dolibarr project by providing false
information on this mailing list and trying to cunfusing other readers.
Hi community, it seems we have a new Dark Vador in Dolibarr galaxy !
2016-11-08 13:32 GMT+01:00 Charles Benke <address@hidden
<mailto:address@hidden>>:
As reading on module
Accountancy : experimental
Multicurrency : develop
So call IT as you want IS NOT A MAJOR VERSION
You speak that “Version 5.0 has a very good compatibility behaviour
with external modules, “ witch external modules have you tested? All
present in the dolistore?
I would have preferred that we work more on the stability of
previous major versions to continue this headlong counterproductive.
I hope them we can discuss how the project is managed, it is time
after 10 years actually change ...
Bien cordialement,
Charlie Benke
*De :*Dolibarr-dev [mailto:dolibarr-dev-bounces+charles.fr
<mailto:dolibarr-dev-bounces%2Bcharles.fr >=address@hiddenrg
<mailto:address@hidden>] *De la part de* Laurent Destailleur
(aka Eldy)
*Envoyé :* mardi 8 novembre 2016 00:11
*À :* ML Dolibarr dev <address@hidden
<mailto:address@hiddeng >>
*Objet :* [Dolibarr-dev] Dolibarr 5.0 freeze and new version 4.0.2
Hi Dolibarr developers.
Time to start the beta of the next major version has come. The
release candidate version should be ready for January, so as usual,
we must start the beta period few month ago, so now.
To follow modern pratice about namin convention, next major version
followin the 4.0 will be called 5.0 and not 4.1. I still don't know
why we spent so many times (10 years) to increase the second level
of number used commonly to describe a minor chane when it was major
release, but well, late is better than never.
So, starting from this week-end, the beta period for 5.0 will be
launched. No new features will be added from PR.
As usual, "started development" are allowed to be continued to be
finished for final release. Work on not stable modules are also
still opened because such modules won't be visible by users. Among
works already started and that are qualified to continue to push PR
that are not bu fixed, we may find:
- work on advanced accountancy (double party) module,
- multicurrency module
- work to simplify code to support oauth
- website module
- management of a VAT code to be able to distinguish different VAT
with same rate
- theme enhancement to be more responsive designed
- uniformization of the look and feel and usae of the dol_banner for
all tabs.
- translation changes
- changes required to allow package generations
After the freeze, new features will be suspended until the branch
for 5.0 is created. Then merging PR for new features will be
possible again into develop branch.
Also, architecture, reenginering, or best practice code enhancements
will be discarded during this period. Instead any help is welcome to
fix all opened bug: See https://github.com/Dolibarr/dolibarr/issues
More information on what a "freeze"
mean: https://wiki.dolibarr.org/index.php/Category:RoadMap
Version 5.0 has a very good compatibility behaviour with external
modules, so you can already check your external modules are still
working with this version.
A Changelog (not yet detailed with coming new features) is available
in the current development branch that will be used to start the
freeze to give information on what was changed and may need
attention of external developers or upgraders.
Also, note that a maintenance version, version 4.0.2 was released
few days ago to provide recent fixes available for branch 4.0.
More information on what a "maintenance version"
mean: https://wiki.dolibarr.org/index.php/Category:RoadMap
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