Re: [GNU-linux-libre] 10 minutes, and uzbl browser became usable

[Zlatan Todoric]

On 11/15/2016 01:49 PM, Jaromil wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Nov 2016, Jean Louis wrote:
>
> > When software is distributed to a mechanic, telling him indirectly,
> > that he is dumb, and he shall use click/pray to search Google and
> > watch videos, and nothing more, this is leading him nowhere.
> just wanted to say I am completely with you on the position of not
> treating users as dumb. there was a lecture here in Goteborg at FSCONS
> by Elinor Carmi which I really enjoyed and, while mostly focusing on
> the human-machine interaction of "user operators". She started from
> stories about the early Bell telephone network days, to nowadays
> content management on social media. While tangential to her speech,
> she still articulated well a scenario touching this issue, of treating
> users as dumb and how that is a very bad idea for everyone.

The only one treating users dumb here is you and your pal. Just because 
someone doesn't use and doesn't understand software the way your 
"enlighten" mind does, doesn't make them dumb. I fairly believe that 
majority of Nobel Prize winners don't use GNU/Linux, never heard about 
Devuan or uzbl and even if you would explain them - they would still use 
what they are using now. Sorry to inform you that even if majority don't 
care about Freedom, privacy, security at level you do, it still doesn't 
make them dumb and you're not in position to judge them - many still 
live happily, contribute to the world and know what are they doing even 
though they are not "educated users as you would like them to be".

I highly recommend you don't put your nose into users decision but 
rather listen to their needs and if you're able create Free software for 
their exact need without judging them or preaching to them how they 
don't know what is best for them and that they should listen to your 
suggestions - power to you. Otherwise it is insulting to see how you two 
try to enforce that you're right and I for one, could care every mail 
less and less.

> in Devuan we are definitely witnessing this too. Many users fleeing
> out from the systemd imposition in Debian are offended by the way they
> are treated as stupid.

Sorry to say, but Devuan anti-Free software attack against another Free 
software projects didn't accomplish anything. Debian is the giant 
bastion of Free software engineering and high quality product while 
Devuan is IMHO just a joke (https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ -> 
reading first few lines is already enough to not take it seriously).