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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Synchronisation


From: Marcus D. Leech
Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Synchronisation
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 11:06:52 -0400
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On 09/11/2017 04:50 AM, John Shields wrote:
Thanks for the feedback but I am not sure that I understand it. What I was hoping to do was step through the configurations with increasing levels of synchronisation and expecting to see same.

Marcus' comment is correct and I have not, yet, put in the code which synchronises SBXs.

I guess my basic point, from looking at previous post from others Marcus L included, was that UHD would somehow improve the synchronisation between two USRPs in the same container versus those two separately.
What the multi_usrp object will do is to *align timestamps* among all the devices within the "container".   That is distinct from arranging for
  synchronization in time and phase.   For that, you must have a shared 10MHz reference and 1PPS source, and you must ask the
  UHD source to use them.

What I do for testing ongoing phase coherence is to conjugate multiply the two halves, then low-pass filter and decimate.  This allows me to
  observe any phase-drift between the two sides over time.  This assumes that both sides are tuned to some common test signal.

In the case where two devices aren't sharing a reference clock, one can expect the above to produce a noise-like output, since there will be random
  mutual phase noise.   In the case where the two sides have a slow phase-drift with respect to one another, one can expect a slow sinusoidal output.
  In the case where both sides are in constant phase coherence, one can expect an essentially-constant output.



When I executed the FG shown (separately) with the USRPs individually and then within a UHD container the results in terms of phase variation was the same. I had expected that, based on my understanding, the containerised USRPs would have behaved better.

So, either my FG does not measure what I thought it should or there is little UHD-related benefit to having USRPs individually or in the 'domain' as MarcusL has mentioned previously. From my situation it doesn't hence the first question in the post:


               Does my FG not measure what I claim to be wishing to measure?


Kind Regards,

            John


On 11/09/17 01:03, Marcus D. Leech wrote:
On 09/10/2017 08:58 PM, Dan CaJacob wrote:

I could be wrong, but I thought the SBX was one of the few daughter cards that starts with s known phase offset?

Only if you ask it to do so, and only if it's sharing clock with its buddies...


On Sun, Sep 10, 2017, 2:49 PM Fulcrum Associates <address@hidden> wrote:
Dear All,

              I have a couple of USRPs connected, through  a strong
attenuator to a signal generator (NWT4001). While the units have a MIMO
option, I don't have that cable. (Option A) When I run the GRC as
attached, I see too good a result to the extent that the differential
Phi seems to range over +/- 5 degrees.


              What I had hoped to prove to myself that two N200 with SBX
would have a varying offset without MIMO cable, then I would connect the
MIMO cable and move the USRPs into a multi-unit and enable GPSD O/B on
the unit which has the feature and MIMO for one without (Option B) and
that the phase differential would improve noticeably and be a variable
constant, but it didn't.


               If it had, but there still was a fixed phase offset which
varied each time it was setup (which is what I would expect under B)
then I would hand-code the SBX stream initialisation code to remove the
offset.


               Does my FG not measure what I claim to be wishing to
measure?

               If it does measure it correctly, why do my expectations
of options A and B leading to a different (though improved) situation
not eventuate?


               Kind Regards,


                              John

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Very Respectfully,

Dan CaJacob


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