Re: Menu (Was: Re: Unimplemented AppKit classes)

[Nicola Pero]

Thomas, thanks for your comments :-)

I'll try to use them as much as I can.

When I get to the point of having a first draft of the Renaissance editor,
if you are still around, please feel free to email me and suggest how to
make it better. :-)

> > If you feel like there is something I could do to make you at least a bit
> > more happy with Renaissance let me know. :-)
> > 
> > As far as I could understand, I think you'd appreciate if I/we
> > tested/implemented careful support for non-autolayout sizing and
> > positioning of widgets ?  and support for it in the future Renaissance GUI
> > editor ?
> > 
> > You can still go on using the standard Gorm for your interfaces if you so
> > wish - I can assure you that support for .gorm formats will remain in the
> > gui library - there is *no* reason to remove it (I'll defend it myself if
> > needed :-) and in Gorm (that's up to the Gorm maintainers, but they seem
> > to be definitely for supporting the .gorm format forever, and I agree with
> > them - there is very rarely a good reason to drop useful stuff which
> > works).
> 
> Thank you for your response, and I have been reading your other responses in 
> the
> list, and I am relieved to find that you won't be depreciating things needed 
> by
> Gorm to function. 
> 
> I think that we'll have to see what happens as to whether the ideas of
> Renaissance and Gorm can be brought together somehow. 
> 
> Whatever happens with Renaissance, and its editor, we must keep this in mind:
> 
> Using a UI to create something else (in this case, the theoretical Renaissance
> Editor) should be as natural as possible. In the end, a UI designer cares 
> about
> laying out his user interface in as straightforward a manner as possible. 
> There
> should always be room for _a_ creative process to take hold, whatever that
> creative process might be. If the UI designer needs to spend more time 
> worrying
> about the layout of his boxes (if he chooses to do auto-layout) than actually
> laying out the visible parts of the user-interface, then the user interface 
> for
> the editor is intrusive, and is causing aggregate frustration on the designer.
> This frustration can manifest itself in a variety of ways, ranging from a 
> sloppy
> final product, to a complete lack of a final product. 
> 
> In the end, this is why I love GNUstep, and Gorm so much, because I can spend
> more time creating, than wrestling with the environment in order to create. 
> 
> my only plea for a Renaissance editor:
> 
> PLEASE COMPLETELY DISREGARD GLADE. I BEG YOU ALL. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, PLEASE
> DISREGARD GLADE. IT IS NOT AN EXAMPLE OF HOW TO CREATE AN AUTO-LAYOUT GUI
> EDITOR! (Even the GTK+/GNOME people hate it.)