Re: Please remove NFMake from GNA

[Gregory Casamento]

Karl,

I completely understand your frustration and anger, but I don't think
that your response does anything but injure the community as a whole.
 This is like getting angry at someone and, instead of punching that
person or dealing with that person directly, you walk across the room
and slap your own wife in the face and say "I'm doing this because I'm
mad at this other person."

You're not injuring the FSF by removing code from the GNUstep repo nor
are you hurting or changing RMS' opinion in anyway.   The *ONLY* thing
you're doing is hurting the GNUstep community by making this request.

If you insist on this ugly and hurtful course of action, then I will
remove your code as you request.   But, please keep in mind what I
said above.   You're not hurting them.   You're hurting us.  People
who thought you were their friend.   If you do this, you've proven
otherwise.

Thanks, GC

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Gerold Rupprecht <geroldr@bluewin.ch> wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-10-09 at 12:36 -0500, Karl Kraft wrote:
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2011, at 10:17 , Gerold Rupprecht wrote:
>>
>>
>> > I am the father of two children. I have separated from their mom. I
>> > cannot simply ask for my children to disappear...  You have given
>> > birth
>> > to a project, and made it available to all as per the FSF licenses.
>>
>>
>> Yes, but how would you feel about a third party renaming your
>> children, and airbrushing history and then holding them out as their
>> own progeny, denying you any rights?
>>
> Karl, I believed in good faith you had uploaded your software after
> signing a copyright assignment to the FSF. I am unaware as to any
> renaming of the software by anyone else. If someone had added the
> license to the source code of the project files, it is to help you make
> the application as user friendly as possible, stating the license,
> whatever it is, on each source code file.
>
> Under normal procedures, we make copyright assignment prior to our first
> upload. If that is not the case, we have a problem. I believe, until
> proven otherwise, that all contributors have worked on the project in
> good faith. The default copyright for the GNUstep project has been
> version 3 of the GPL for some time now.
>
> As this seems to be a significant problem, I regret you did not bring it
> to our attention earlier. I certainly feel your sense of anger and
> frustration, however we cannot set back the hands of time.
>
> As you know the situation better than I do, I ask you to please take
> persons such as myself into consideration and propose a remedy we can
> all live with, irrespective of your opinion of rms and the Free Software
> Foundation.
>
> I have a lot of respect for anyone writing software, no matter the
> license. I respect even more people who share that software,
> particularly under a free license. I respect the most, people who are
> generous, kind and considerate, hopefully just as much as you.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gerold Rupprecht
>
>
>
>>
>> The source was written by me and has never been assigned, yet it sites
>> on the FSF subversion servers marked as being the property of the
>> FSF.  I have not assigned copyright to the source to the FSF, yet many
>> of the source files have been changed to say that they are copyright
>> FSF.
>>
>>
>> The checked out source comes with the GPLv3, which I have never agreed
>> to and there is no legal basis for anyone other than the author for it
>> to be moved from the LGPL to the GPL.
>>
>>
>> > I feel offended by your request because you have not taken the time
>> > or
>> > effort to think through the consequences for the innocent
>> > "bystander"
>> > and other contributors.
>>
>>
>> I have thought through the request.  The consequences are exactly what
>> I aim to achieve.  The statement by rms that started all this not only
>> took a cheap shot at Steve, it referred to me as a fool.  I will not
>> continue to support, help, or stand by quietly while the FSF president
>> decides to insult me and call me names for not being 100%
>> ideologically aligned with their organization. In addition to nfmake
>> I've written lots of non open source software.  Does this also make me
>> a "malign influence"? Will rms be glad when I am gone as well?
>>
>>
>> The FSF has gone from being an advocate of software freedom by
>> providing and advocating free software, to a organization of
>> zealotry.  The board of the organization through their silence
>> supports the actions of their president, which include disrupting
>> speakers, insulting large swaths of the public and their own
>> supporters. The rhetoric has passed the line of rancor and descended
>> into hostility.
>>
>>
>> > You have made a legal commitment to people like
>> > me who you have never met nor know. I request that you stand by it.
>>
>>
>> I don't believe their is any legal commitment between myself and
>> you .  And even if it is so found, I put you and the rest of the world
>> on notice that if I could turn back time, I would seek to undo
>> anything I have done that might have helped the FSF.
>>
>>
>> The actions of the FSF are not only driving people to not contribute,
>> they are creating regret among those who once supported them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Karl Kraft
>> 415-449-9445
>> http://www.karlkraft.com/
>> karl@karlkraft.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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