Re: gtk scroll bar deficiency

[grischka]

> > Cheap propaganda. The truth is that current emacs' idea of scrolling 
> > is just too simple minded than that it could drive a standard scrollbar 
> > correctly. 

> Cheap troll.  [Surely you can do better than that?]

> -miles

Yep, sorry, bad education. 

Anywho, for the records, this thread started with an user 
reporting that in recent emacs scrolling down on the last 
page ends up with an empty window which he summarized as:
    "it looks like a bug to me..."

This user then could learn that it's not emacs' fault but
    "...because toolkit writers are boneheaded"
and anyway it is his
    "...kind of wrong question that leads to the arbitrary 
     braindead limitations in current GUI toolkits."

Now I don't mind clear statements, I just was trying to point 
out that these are essentially incorrect. [was this good?]

Fact is that the toolkits don't enforce neither the one nor
the other behaviour, but also that no scrollbar toolkit ever 
will magically be able to adjust for the last line of the file 
to stay on bottom of the window if the editor machinery can't 
tell in advance (!) where in the file the last page starts. 

--- grischka