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Re: C-j considered harmful (not really)
From: |
Juri Linkov |
Subject: |
Re: C-j considered harmful (not really) |
Date: |
Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:12:45 +0200 |
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Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) |
> 2. I don't like the idea of binding `S-RET' to newline. The argument is
> apparently that some users will be used to that and thus expect it. So what?
> There are so many more things to learn about Emacs that might not be what
> someone is used to. This is truly not a big deal, and it doesn't warrant
> sacrificing a good key such as `S-RET'. That key is naturally associated with
> RET, which is used often and has specific meanings in different contexts, so
> `S-RET' can be used for a variant of what RET does in any given context (see
> #1
> wrt the minibuffer's RET).
>
> `C-j' _IS_ newline. OK, some people don't know that. But most programmers of
> UNIX, Linux, C, etc. do know it, and others can surely learn it - no biggee.
> It
> is elegant to use the key to self-insert, the same way it is elegant to use
> the
> key `a' to insert an `a' character.
Fine, but note that `C-j' already has different non-self-insert-newline
semantics in other modes:
In Emacs-Lisp mode, C-j runs the command newline-and-indent.
In Lisp Interaction mode, C-j runs the command eval-print-last-sexp.
In Editable Wdired mode, C-j runs the command ignore.
BTW, see how users expect `C-q RET' to insert a newline in the minibuffer:
http://emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=4956
--
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/
- Re: C-j considered harmful (not really), (continued)
- Re: C-j considered harmful (not really), Per Starbäck, 2009/11/22
- Re: C-j considered harmful (not really), Deniz Dogan, 2009/11/22
- Re: C-j considered harmful (not really), Stefan Monnier, 2009/11/22
- Re: C-j considered harmful (not really), Juri Linkov, 2009/11/23
- Re: C-j considered harmful (not really), Per Starbäck, 2009/11/23
- RE: C-j considered harmful (not really), Drew Adams, 2009/11/23
- RE: C-j considered harmful (not really), Drew Adams, 2009/11/23
- Re: C-j considered harmful (not really), Per Starbäck, 2009/11/23
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- RE: C-j considered harmful (not really), Drew Adams, 2009/11/24