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Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US
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Stephen J. Turnbull |
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Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US |
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Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:30:53 +0900 |
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Trying to wind this down, I'll cut out the pedantic stuff, and stick
to advocacy.
>>>>> "Frank" == Frank T Pohlmann <address@hidden> writes:
>> And what do you propose as a solution? Censorship, so that the
>> media only disseminates exactly what Bush wants them to?
Frank> The reality is that very, very few journalists and fairly
Frank> few bloggers attempt more balanced reporting. I read French
Frank> and German, so I try to get other views and a more complete
Frank> picture.
Yeah, but that's not a solution available to Bush in making
presentations to the American people. It's _not_ Bush's decision in
the long run, even if he wanted to make it, unless he can sell it and
the implications to the voters. I don't see how to do that quickly.
Frank> But I am, or rather was, actually equipped to part of the
Frank> solution and back in the days when it would have been
Frank> relevant, I was told in no uncertain terms that having
Frank> expertise in the history of Islam is the most useless,
Frank> irrelevant expertise one could possibly hope for. That was
Frank> in 1991-1994.
.... (recovering from speechless amazement) Expertise in history is
_never_ irrelevant. As to your anger ... what can I say? "Justified"
seems weak, even after 10 years.
Regarding being part of the "solution": sure, it would be nice if you
could get the ear of someone who pulls the levers. But that only
affects a couple of decisions. In the long run in democracies you
need to educate the people. The American people are far from prepared
for the necessary debate.
Frank> Frankly, I have no idea to this day how to have any kind of
Frank> impact on a very screwed-up situation.
Patience. Unfortunately, that's all I can say. Plan for the long
run. We've been (as a race) screwing up for tens of thousands of
years, and (the U.S. in particular) for about a century (in foreign
policy, our foreign policy didn't matter _too_ much before then). If
we do nothing now, it'll be just as bad ten years from now.
Practically, blog for the general public (that's a new option),
educate people like me and Pierce who disagree with much that you say
but have open minds. I _do_ have a teaching position, and even if I
can't teach much Islamic history, I do make a habit of trying to
contradict whatever stupid thing I saw on the telly in the morning in
class that day. If Pierce doesn't have a blog, he might as well, the
amount he can post in a day.
Even if I can't help defending my country, that doesn't mean I have to
demonize other countries. I don't have to ignore them. Rather I try
to do the reverse, and "encourage" my students to do so, too. Help me.
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- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, (continued)
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Pierce T . Wetter III, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Pierce T . Wetter III, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Roman Zippel, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Pierce T . Wetter III, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, nadim, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Pierce T . Wetter III, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, nadim, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Frank T. Pohlmann, 2004/07/20
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2004/07/22
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Frank T. Pohlmann, 2004/07/22
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US,
Stephen J. Turnbull <=
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Pierce T . Wetter III, 2004/07/22
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Frank T. Pohlmann, 2004/07/22
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Pierce T . Wetter III, 2004/07/22
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, nadim, 2004/07/22
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Frank T. Pohlmann, 2004/07/22
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Pierce T . Wetter III, 2004/07/22
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Frank T. Pohlmann, 2004/07/22
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Pierce T . Wetter III, 2004/07/22
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Frank T. Pohlmann, 2004/07/22
- Re: [Gnu-arch-users] [OT] facism gaining ground in US, Robin Green, 2004/07/20