[Heartlogic-dev] Re: feedback on site 2004-01-01

[William L. Jarrold]

On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Joshua N Pritikin wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 06:14:32PM -0600, William L. Jarrold wrote:
> > (1) I went to About -> Simulation Adequacy -> a page of text about Colby's 
> > PARRY and
> > "How Science Should Work"
> >
> > At that top of that page there is "Use of Situation in Psychology".
> > Siutation?  Huh?  You meant "Simulation" right?....
> >
> > Also, I think there has been a fair amount of simulation or cognitive
> > modeling in psychology (I'll try to forward you a conference
> > announcement about this very thing).  So maybe a title like ...
> >
> > "PARRY; an Early Step in Affective Simulation"
> >
> > ..would be more apt than something as grand and overarching as "Use of
> > Simulation in Psychology"
>
> Yes.  Done.
>

Cool.  Looks good.  At least on this pass.  At a new level of pickiness
I'll have some changes to suggest.

> > (2) At http://s89740195.onlinehome.us/ohl/opine.cgi?leaf=bib it would
> >     be better to italicise the little paragraph blurbs under each
> >     biblio entry, no?  Clear distinction between biblio pointer and
> >     explain summary ==> Less confusing on the eyes.
>
> Italics looks equally confusing.
>
> Bold looks OK.  I'm going to use bold unless you have a
> better idea.

I just visited the page and there was no difference.  Bold sounds fine.
You might try a different font size?

>
> > (3) It would be cool to have a hotlink from OHL to the aleader dev
> >     site complete with all the email discussion, no?
>
> Added, near "Experimental Roadmap".

Thanks.  But what be much better would be to hotlink directly
to the email discussions.  E.g. to...

http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/heartlogic-dev/

...and to maybe also have a hotlink to the savanah project page.  The
way it is now, I think that most people would look at the savanah page and
move on.

>
> > (4) It would be cool to rename aleader to open-heart-logic, what do
> >     you think?  That way when someone googles, instead of seeing...
> >
> >     mail.gnu.org/archive/html/aleader-dev/ 2003-09/msg00001.html
> >
> >     ...they will see...
> >
> >     mail.gnu.org/archive/html/open-heart-logic-dev/ 2003-09/msg00001.html
> >
> >    ...what do you think?  Would that be a little more descriptive and
> >    eye catching (or maybe I should say, click catching?)
>
> Sure, but there is still a conceptual gap between the two projects.
>
> If you can focus on responding to our emails discussing goals
> and parameterization then this gap will narrow.  I am optimistic
> that only a very small gap remains.
>
> However, until we succeed in eliminating the gap, a merger is
> not appropriate.

Hrm, okay.

>
> > (5) When I read this
> >     one...http://s89740195.onlinehome.us/ohl/opine.cgi?leaf=therapy...
> >     I feel the most nervous....Here's why:
> >
> >     (a) The quote from Beck is long.  Although you gave credit,
> >     copyright law would prohibit copying the entire book.  What
> >     does copyright law allow?  I'm not sure.  Maybe research
> >     (google?) on "Fair Use Clause."
>
> I really doubt that this is a problem.  For example, amazon.com
> has 2-3 complete pages from chapter 2 publically available.  I am
> inclined to leave OHL unchanged unless we receive a complaint
> from the Beck Institute (or whatever).

Nervously, okay.

>
> Also, I really like the paragraph I quoted.
>

Hmm, okay but it doesn't really excite me.  But, I'll try to flexible
with my tastes.

Hey, here's a question: what if we have a serious deep disagreement
on some issue.  It would be good to have an agreed upon procedure
in place on what to do if you think we should do A and I think we
should B and A and B contradict each other.

> >     (b) The stuff about who is right for cognitive therapy is
> >     interesting, but I feel a little nervous about it.  Maybe it
> >     is just because I didn't come up with it.  Maybe I am
> >     suffering from hot cognition (-;....Lets see....It is a little
> >     far afield from the focus of my dissertation.  My dissertation
> >     is about modeling emotion.  Hopes for doing some sort of
> >     therapy based on the model is one thing.  But a discussion of
> >     who is right for cog therapy and who is not is a little
> >     outside...I suppose it does relate in the sense that heart and
> >     head need to be balanced...But again, this is more in the
> >     clinical/philsophy domain than in the science domain...What
> >     else: It is speculative?...right? I mean you just inferred it,
> >     you didn't find a chart like this or this kind of info
> >     somewhere in the literature did you?  If so, cite it.  If not,
> >     make explicit this is your belief.
>
> I added "We believe" at the beginning of the paragraph.  Is this
> sufficient?

Well, err, not really.  I don't believe it strongly enough to put it
up on a public web page.  For example, your construct of the spectrum
of logical to emotional personalities, has that really been validated?
Not to my knowledge. It is intuitively somewhat compeling, granted.  What
if you somehow bracketed this.  E.g. on a separate page you could say
"Joshua believes..."...An area where you could do whatever you want
would have other advantages too, e.g. I have a generaly sense that the
personal growth stuff is seeping back in.  I'm not sure why, but I just
feel leery about getting into that.  On the part of the OHL website that
we share, I want to stay focused on cognitive models.

>
> I think the material is important to have for people who are
> totally clueless about cognitive therapy, even if it is
> just random speculation by yours truly.

Okay, suppose that we do consider it important to have a brief explanation
of cog therapy.  Well the Beck quote does this.  But, speculation on who
is a good vs a bad candidate seems a bit premature.  I'll bet if you dig
the literature you will find info on who is most appropriate can cite it
more authoritatively.  My personal intuition is that one's level of
motivation to do the work of therapy is a strong factor in who is a good
candidate...From another direction, why make Cog Therapy seem like a
technique that is appropriate only for a select group of elite, logical
people.  Why not focus on a big tent view of who can benefit from cog
therapy?

But, I do think this idea of logical vs emotional personality/thinking
styles is an interesting idea.  It deserves space.  Thus, I'm leaning
towards a separate web page for it.

>
> >     (c) cognitive reframing....Thanks so much for putting that up
> >     there...How about this, can you add a little more explanation
> >     of cognitive reframing...How about this:
>
> I added most of this, but not verbatim.  Take a look and tell me
> if you like what I did with it.

Looks good enough for now.

Oh....Minor point, could you change...

"The model being developed for OHL includes goal substitution, which is a
type of cognitive reframing."

...to...

"The model being developed for OHL includes goal substitution, which can
be viewed as a type of cognitive reframing."

>
> > (6) be careful about copying sections from my dissertation.  My
> >     dissertaion must be an original piece of work.  If there is a
> >     website that has large tracts of my dissertation, I could get into
> >     trouble with the (baseless) accusation that my work is unoriginal.
> >     Once I get it officially revised and reviewed by the "Ruler Lady"
> >     (she literally measures margins with a rule) and all that
> >     bureacracy, THEN I see no bars against copying large tracts -- I
> >     will give permission.  These are just my strong suspicions, I am
> >     not expert enough on copyright law or UT dissertation policy.
>
> I added this to the top-level About page:
>
> "Note: Some of the text in the About section is copied verbatim
> or paraphrased from Jarrold (2004), with permission."
>
> Hopefully this is sufficient.

Me too.

>
> I'd prefer not to spend the time to go back and figure out what
> I took verbatim and what I paraphrased from your dissertation.
>
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