Re: Lyircs melsima line ending in interpunctation

[Shane Brandes]

My reasoned opinion, which Hayden reiterated, on Gould's pronouncement
about the matter. Anyway, certainly some ammunition to dissuade the
editor.

Shane

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Hayden Muhl <address@hidden> wrote:
> I am a singer, and would like to weigh in.
>
> In my opinion, it is preferable to put the punctuation with the syllable.
> The punctuation may have an impact on how the singer wants to interpret a
> phrase. If you put the punctuation after the extension line, the singer will
> not see the punctuation until he's already done with the line. To my mind,
> this would be equivalent to putting the final consonant at the end of the
> passage, and I hope no one would think that would be a good idea.
>
> One thing I have seen in some scores is reprinting the syllable in
> parentheses after a page or line break. Take this line from the Queen of the
> Night's famous aria. If the melisma extends across too many staves or pages,
> you might see this.
>
>   Al - le Ban ________________________________
>
>   (Ban)____________________ - de der Na - tur.
>
> Another possibility might look like this.
>
>   Al - le Ban ________________________________
>
>   ______________________(Ban) - de der Na - tur
>
> I've only seen something like the first example in print. I only included
> the second example, because it is similar to what the publisher is asking
> for. As a singer, I would probably prefer the first example.
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM, David Kastrup <address@hidden> wrote:
>>
>> Shane Brandes <address@hidden> writes:
>>
>> >> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:21 PM, David Kastrup <address@hidden> wrote:
>> >>> Marc Hohl <address@hidden> writes:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Am 23.01.2012 20:36, schrieb Nils:
>> >>>>> [...]
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Any known solutions? And if not: I find it strange to make it like
>> >>>>> this. Do you know reasons that speaks against __ _ _! which I can
>> >>>>> tell my publisher?
>> >>>> Well, at least in "Behind bars" from Elaine Gould it is explained
>> >>>> that the
>> >>>> punctuations come *before* the extender line. This book is said to be
>> >>>> the ultimate guide to writing scores - does that count?
>> >>>
>> >>> I'd be interested in the rationale.  So what is the explanation?
>> >
>> > It would seem more useful. To have such punctuation against the word
>> > for the reason that for example with an exclamation point it alters
>> > the expression of the word. if you have to arrive at the end of the
>> > extender lines to find out about such a change it impedes a quick and
>> > accurate reading of the score.
>>
>> Your opinion or that of Gould?  A valid reason would be in my opinion
>> that a period or comma would likely get lost behind an extender.  But
>> for singing, where hyphenation also is often altered to put the
>> consonant at the beginning of the next syllable, it does seem strange to
>> put a full stop first, then have a complete phrase following still.
>>
>> --
>> David Kastrup
>>
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