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Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative
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Keith OHara |
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Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative |
Date: |
Sat, 9 Mar 2013 04:45:08 +0000 (UTC) |
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> Colin Hall <colinghall <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
> > In my early days with Lilypond I learned this to my cost. I've never
> > used \relative since then.
I stopped using \relative about a year ago, because absolute note entry is
vastly easier.
When writing, I do not generally remember the previous note (more likely the
previous chord, or the first note in the previous phrase). Even when I do,
for some reason determining whether I am moving more than a nominal fourth
takes some mental effort. LilyPond punishes a single mistake in this mental
effort by placing every following note in the wrong octave.
I do, however, have in mind the range of the instrument, and can \transpose
so that written c d e f g a b falls in the center of that range. In
borderline cases I prefer putting the home octave a bit higher, because ,
is one keystroke for me while ' requires two. Transposed absolute entry
puts me in control.
\relative c' {} might work better if applied to short passages, but I can
never remember to close the }. Just after typing a note, I am not thinking
that I might soon forget what I just typed. When I do forget, looking back
to remember is easier than going back to close the }.
When I did use \relative c' {} it was a burden to think ahead "the first note
I want will probably be an f'', so the nearest C is c'' ". The new proposal
for \relative {...} removes that burden.
David Kastrup <dak <at> gnu.org> writes:
> Well, stuff can get rather wordy, and mixing \transpose c c''' in scores
> together with \transposition was a recipe for audible surprises. Quick:
The combination \transpose c c, { \transposition bes \clef bass c' d' }
means "Typed c' represents concert bes " in version 2.16. In version 2.18
it will mean "Printed c' represents concert bes " (the new way being more
consistent with the case where there is no \transposition setting at all).
Neither way is terribly confusing. Both are details that I tend not to
remember, so I take a guess and adjust once after I see if the cue notes
come out right.
Transposed absolute note entry rocks. Relative note entry sucks.
- RE: \relative proposal: putting absolute pitches anywhere within \relative block using @-sign, (continued)
- Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative, Graham Percival, 2013/03/07
- Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative, Martin Tarenskeen, 2013/03/07
- Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative, David Kastrup, 2013/03/07
- Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative, Colin Hall, 2013/03/08
- Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative, David Kastrup, 2013/03/08
- Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative,
Keith OHara <=
- Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative, Shane Brandes, 2013/03/08
- Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative, David Kastrup, 2013/03/09
- Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative, David Kastrup, 2013/03/09
- Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative, Wim van Dommelen, 2013/03/10
- Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative, David Kastrup, 2013/03/10
- Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative, Wim van Dommelen, 2013/03/10
- Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative, Janek Warchoł, 2013/03/10
- Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative, David Kastrup, 2013/03/10
- Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative, Janek Warchoł, 2013/03/10
- Re: Proposed new available and recommended behavior of \relative, David Kastrup, 2013/03/10