Re: Do we really offer the future?

[Michael Hendry]

On 27 Apr 2015, at 00:18, Urs Liska <address@hidden> wrote:

Am 27.04.2015 um 01:12 schrieb Simon Albrecht:

Am 26.04.2015 um 23:53 schrieb Michael Hendry:

On 26 Apr 2015, at 15:36, H. S. Teoh <address@hidden> wrote:

On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:23:26AM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote:

Hi,

Am I the only one who puts bar checks at *both* the beginning and end of a bar?

| a4 b c d |
| e f g a |

You’re the only one I’ve ever heard of doing so.   =)
Exactly ½ of your bar checks are redundant, of course.

[...]

I realize it's redundant, but I use it as a visual aid. :-)

I like formatting my input in paragraphs of 4 or 8 bars each, and having
a visual marker for both the start and end of a bar lets me easily tell
where a bar starts / ends when its contents don't fit on a single line
(or is more readable wrapped to multiple lines):

| a4 a a a |
| a4 a a a |
| a4 -\tag #'no-partcombine -\f
    -\tag #'midi -\ff
 a a a |
| a4 a a a |

| b4 b b b |
| b4 b b b |
| b4 b b b |
| b4 b b b |

... etc.

In the 3rd bar above the trailing | lets me immediately see that the end
of the bar is on the 3rd line, and that the previous two lines are
incomplete, whereas if I only wrote | on one end of the bar, it would
take more effort to scan with my eye to find the bar boundaries.

I’m not convinced that you gain any benefit from using the bar check at the beginning of the bar, if your’e going to put one at the end.

Have a look at this...

a4 a a a |
a4 a a a |
a4 -\tag #'no-partcombine -\f
     -\tag #'midi -\ff
  a a a |
a4 a a a |

b4 b b b |
b4 b b b |
b4 b b b |
b4 b b b |

…where the beginnings of the bars line up vertically, and any bars which spill over on to the next line are indented. Does it lose anything from not having leading bar checks?

Yes: you can indent them manually, but if you use Frescobaldi’s auto-indenting tool (which is very recommendable) this info will get lost.

Yours, Simon

See
https://github.com/wbsoft/frescobaldi/issues/573

In that wish I asked if it is useful or just a personal use case.
So anybody who wants to use indented lines for such cases might add a comment there (to "upvote" it).

I have added the following comment on GitHub:

I agree that the loss of user-intended indentation is a problem with Frescobaldi's format feature, but I don't think this is a complete solution.

As I understand it, the idea is that the %/ combination signifies that the _following_ line is to be given one extra ration of indentation, so code entered thus...

a b c d 

b c d e %/

c d e f

d e f g

...becomes...

  a b c d

  b c d e %/

    c d e f

  d e f g

...with the fourth line dropping back to Frescobaldi's default indentation.

This means that every line that is to be indented will have to be preceded by %/, and that there is no way of forcing double indentation.

How would you propose switching off the %// indentation if it isn't automatically switched off in following bars?

Michael

Urs

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