Re: Clashing ties & slurs with tieWaitForNote

[Malte Meyn]

Am 21.11.2015 um 20:30 schrieb David Kastrup:
> Urs Liska <address@hidden> writes:
>
> > Thanks, that makes things clearer.  This is definitely what I
> > suggested. The "outer" slur is not a tie but a phrasing slur and the
> > inner one a slur indicating the bowing.
>
> That would not make much sense, really.  Phrasing slurs in violin music
> are only necessary when you can't avoid changing bow direction, so if
> they are present, they are much longer.
>
> The tied notation makes more sense, indicating that you change from a
> one-string note to a double-stop and then revert back to the one-string
> note.

I disagree: In Finlandia this note is definitely *not* tied. Obviously 
Sibelius writes both a “technical” slur (for bow change) and a 
“musical/melodical” slur (not really “phrasing” in musical language but 
in lilypond language).

For a more secure proof have a look at the third bar after rehearsal 
mark L: This cannot be played as double stops.

And the first bar after L is the same in the cello part and not (or 
hardly) playable as double stops on a cello. Also there is no other 
instrument that holds the c …

> This kind of "hold a note on one string and touch notes on next
> string" phrasing is used in a few movements in the Bach solo partitas as
> well.  The notation of Steve was a reasonable rendition for that:
> writing this as strictly two voices makes it harder to indicate the
> slurring.

The Bach solo partitas are polyphonic. This part of Finlandia is 
definitely not.