Re: [Pan-users] 0.11.92 nit picks

[Christian Lohmaier]

Hi Charles,

On Sat, May 18, 2002 at 04:30:40PM -0700, Charles Kerr wrote:
> On Sat, May 18, 2002 at 10:29:11PM +0200, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> > On Sat, May 18, 2002 at 12:05:44PM -0700, Charles Kerr wrote:
> 
> > Why care about the size of menus when these are only used occassionaly
> > since everything is usually done with keyboard-shortcuts?
> > You can have nested menus so that the items that aren't used very often
> > are accessible via the menu in a reasonable way and the 'usually by
> > keyboard'-ones go into the nested one (understand what I'm trying to
> > say?) - They don't even have to appear in the menu at all.
> 
> Because new users matter too.

:-( Where would emacs stand if the developers thought about new users?
Maybe a very bad comparison, but I think it's better to provide useful
enhancements that can speed up reading news a lot than to concentrate on
a clean user-interface for beginners.

> Because everyone has different opinions on what is frequently used.

That's right, I can't disagree.

> Because each one of these functions adds code that has to be maintained.

Another point for you

> Because if they' don't appear in the menu, nobody will know about them.

I (and lot of former pan-users know about them ;-) and furthermore there 
is the shortcut-page...

> Because I *hate* nested menus. ;)

So why sid you place the newsservers in a nested menu ;->?

At last it's your decision. And I didn't mean to be offending or
something - maybe misunderstood because english isn't my native
language.
 
> > > Adding `select subthread' and `select thread' to the menu, so that they
> > > can be used in combination with any of the article commands, effectively
> > > adds new features while making the menus smaller.
> > 
> > Well, this seems like an ugly workaround to me. But better than without
> > this option.  The same applies to 'get new headers for subscribed Groups'
> > I liked having a single combination to get things going.
> 
> "get new for subscribed" is probably the single command that everyone would
> agree is "frequently used",

Executed after every start of pan and maybe every 30 Minutes..

> so I could be talked into putting it back in.

Fine.
But I (personally) use(d) 'mark thread read' a lot more.

> But I'd be more amenable to moving the "get-new-subscribed-on-startup"
> checkbox from the Preferences dialog into a menu where it's easier for new
> users to find.

Please don't do so. This is a setting thats 'created for being put in a
preferences-dialog' (IMHO)

ciao
Christian