[Savannah-hackers] Re: incomplete relaying list on fencepost

[Joel N. Weber II]

   "Joel N. Weber II" <address@hidden> writes:
   > I just noticed that we neglected to add the global naps server subnet
   > to this list, which may mean that anyone trying to send mail from
   > subversions to a non-gnu address lost.  I'm a bit unclear on why this
   > wouldn't have hurt us badly and been immediately noticed and fixed.

   Is subversions configured to use fencepost as a smarthost?

Not at the moment, although I'm surprised it's configured the way it
is.

subversions:/var/spool/mail currently has this, and I bet some of
these people *don't even have any way of retrieving that mail*, since
probably not all of these people have logins on subversions, many of
these people probably have cvs-only accounts.

  /var/spool/mail:
  total 1120
  -rw-rw----    1 bernhard mail         6008 Jul 25 12:07 bernhard
  -rw-rw----    1 bkorb    mail         2129 Jun 24 12:57 bkorb
  -rw-rw----    1 cbayle   mail         1470 Jun 22 04:18 cbayle
  -rw-rw----    1 dneighbo mail         4226 Aug  8 13:52 dneighbors
  -rw-rw----    1 fedor    mail         6620 Aug 14 23:08 fedor
  -rw-rw----    1 gary     mail         3763 Jun 24 18:17 gary
  -rw-rw----    1 hvr      mail        10072 Aug 10 04:44 hvr
  -rw-rw----    1 jamest   mail         1287 Jul  2 14:00 jamest
  -rw-rw----    1 larsa    mail         1466 Jul 20 06:04 larsa
  -rw-rw----    1 lo-lan-d mail         9490 Aug  8 12:30 lo-lan-do
  -rw-rw----    1 loic     mail         1990 Jul 22 09:17 loic
  -rw-rw----    1 meuh     mail         7376 Jul 25 12:07 meuh
  -rw-rw----    1 noreply  mail       223194 Aug 13 15:47 noreply
  -rw-rw----    1 ntiffin  mail         1492 Jul  5 17:03 ntiffin
  -rw-rw----    1 olberger mail        27375 Jul 25 12:07 olberger
  -rw-rw----    1 ppucci   mail         7630 Jul 25 12:20 ppucci
  -rw-rw----    1 psmith   mail         2864 Jul  8 00:35 psmith
  -rw-rw----    1 rsync    mail       624572 Aug 14 08:57 rsync
  -rw-rw----    1 simons   mail         1491 Jul 29 04:41 simons
  -rw-rw----    1 villate  mail        18475 Aug  6 06:51 villate
  -rw-rw----    1 www-data mail       112548 Aug 13 23:16 www-data
  -rw-rw----    1 xmlbase  mail         4600 May 21 04:03 xmlbase


   If not, I
   don't see why it matters.

That is true.

   > I also noticed that delysid was missing gnuftp in its relaying config,
   > in addition to the global naps server subnet.  If I get ambitious
   > later, I think I will move the list of machines to relay for to a file
   > that will get automatically propogated to delysid (although you still
   > probably have to get exim restarted to make the change take effect).

   Same thought regarding gnuftp.  For GNU/Linux and other unix-like systems,
   I'm not clear on why using smarthosts is worthwhile.  It just adds a
   dependency, so that if one machine breaks it causes other machines to
   break.

Using smarthosts means that we end up having fewer distinct namespaces
that end up being gratuitously different for reasons nobody is really
quite clear on.  It's also the case that if we can configure
everything that's not fencepost and not delysid to try using both
fencepost and delysid as the smarthost (not sure if that actually
works), we haven't really got any more single points of failure than
we did before.  And subversions and gnuftp just don't send enough mail
for me to care at all if mail from them can't get through if both
fencepost and delysid are down.

We've currently got inconsistent handling for mail sent to
address@hidden, in that if you send mail to
address@hidden on subversions, it will be handled as
local by subversions; otherwise, it will be handled as local by
fencepost.