Re: [Savannah-users] what are the usefulness criteria for submitted code?

[Thomas Harding]

You should split your project by tasks, as most likely no one would /another/ 
bunch script set especially for sysadmin task.

And wonder for each one if it is /generally/ useful, flexibile enough, etc.

If you look at any administrative interface, she most likely rely on one 
distribution and depends on a programs/versions set. It have to be integrated.




Le 1 mars 2017 02:57:03 GMT+01:00, john smith <address@hidden> a écrit :
>Dear Savannah hackers,
>
>My name is Ivan Zaigralin, and my email is address@hidden I am
>using this gmail
>account because messages sent to this list from my own domain seem to
>disappear into
>a black hole.
>
>I am currently in the process of submitting a project to the non-GNU
>part
>of Savannah. I seem
>to have hit an unexpected barrier: unexpected to me, but may be that's
>just
>because my
>expectations were out of line with reality, so I hope you can help me
>to
>resolve this issue.
>
>What I submitted was ~ 120 KiB of bash code + licensing information. To
>my
>surprise, my
>submission is not being accepted, and the reasons stated I will simply
>quote:
>
>"These are person-specific scripts"
>
>"It doesn't seem to me that they could be generally useful."
>
>"Yes, this is my opinion that doesn't coincide with yours."
>
>"All this makes sense for personal scripts, but not for general use.
>They
>are just not written with
>such use in mind."
>
>"I don't think there are real objective criteria for things like e.g.
>simplistic package. We have to
>use our judgement."
>
>I want to draw your attention specifically to the fact that the
>reviewer is
>using nothing but his
>subjective judgment in order to decide whether my submission is
>"generally
>useful". I also want
>to make it absolutely clear, I have no complaints about this particular
>reviewer, and nothing in
>this post should be interpreted as a criticism of that person or any of
>his
>actions so far.
>
>The reason I find this surprising is this: FSF endorses Savannah as a
>"hosting service":
>
>"There are many services that will host your project's source code"
>
>"Savannah is a community project, providing code hosting for your free
>software project"
>
>This endorsement is explicit in claiming that Savannah will host *my*
>project, which I
>understand as me preserving the creative control over the code I
>submit.
>
>To contrast, the GNU project does and should make subjective calls as
>to
>what constitutes
>useful GNU software, just as the KDE project members make subjective
>calls
>as to what
>constitutes contributions useful to KDE. This makes sense because these
>are
>software
>projects, and when I submit code to them from the outside, it is
>implied
>that they have the
>creative control (or at least a greater share of it), and will make
>subjective calls in line with their
>unique and subjective vision of what their project should be and how it
>should get there. Most
>such projects also have very detailed descriptions of their subjective
>visions; for example, KDE
>is defined as "advanced graphical desktop, a wide variety of
>applications
>for communication,
>work, education and entertainment and a platform to easily build new
>applications upon", and
>much much much more, which really narrows down the scope of the
>project,
>and makes it
>perfectly clear that only the code implementing that vision will be
>accepted. There is also
>absolutely no surprise when senior members of the KDE team, who share
>the
>creative control
>over their project, reject code based on their personal and subjective
>notions of quality and/or
>usability.
>
>So I was taken aback, to be frank, when I was told by the reviewer that
>my
>project is not
>accepted based on nothing but personal and subjective criteria having
>to do
>with general
>usefulness. After a lengthy inquiry, I still cannot locate any official
>Savannah description of any
>usefulness tests applied to submissions. I was fully expecting
>objective
>criteria (besides
>licensing), such minimal & maximal size in bytes, but I cannot find any
>listed anywhere.
>Indeed, I cannot even find any official subjective criteria, which
>would
>make sense if Savannah
>was in fact a software project. So it looks to me like my submission is
>being held up based on
>a personal subjective usefulness test which was applied to my project
>only,
>effectively singling
>it out. So with the information I have now, the only way to interpret
>what
>is happening is that
>Savannah is de facto a software project, whereas Savannah hackers
>assume a
>share of creative control right from the start, from the moment of
>submission.
>
>Just like any community project, Savannah is fully entitled to make the
>rules, but as an FSF
>member I see an issue with endorsing Savannah as a "hosting service",
>unless it actually is a
>hosting service in a manner I described above, which brings me to my
>questions for the
>Savannah community:
>
>Does or does not the Savannah project demand, allow, or abide by
>filtering/censoring/rejecting
>projects based solely on subjective opinions of its members (Savannah
>hackers)? If yes, what
>is the goal for such practice? If no, does the Savannah project
>expressly
>forbid such practices
>internally?
>
>Thanks for your time :)
>
>References:
>
>FSF endorsement: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/savannah
>My Savannah submission: https://savannah.gnu.org/task/?14370

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