[Social-discuss] Re: Federation

[Humaneasy Consulting]

Hi,

Can I suggest that you could make it work faster just making it as a module for Drupal using the powerful Services API (http://smsh.me/7j7q).
Services API will be included on next Drupal 7 and will ease a lot the creation of WebServices (client and/or server).

Check a sample screencast at http://smsh.me/7j7r

Best,
Lopo

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:53:48 -0700
From: Rob Bean <address@hidden>
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On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Matt Lee<address@hidden> wrote:
> Carlos Ross wrote:
>> I think you should use Elgg, because is an open source social networking
>> plataform with a big community who support it.
>
> To be clear, we're aware of many other PHP social networking sites.
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> We're trying to build something different here.
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May I ask why?

Why not an enhance an already existing project?

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:03:54 -0400
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Rob Bean wrote:

> May I ask why?
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> Why not help improve an already existing project?

Because of different goals.

We're changing the world.

That's all I want to say on the subject of existing projects on the list.


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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:19:10 +1200
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can I make the assumption that Social will enable federation allowing
many Social sites to communicate with each other?
James




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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:55:47 -0400
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On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 11:19 +1200, James John Eaton wrote:
> can I make the assumption that Social will enable federation allowing
> many Social sites to communicate with each other?
> James
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The last I heard, Social was going to extend the Open MicroBlogging
protocol for social networking, thus making Social federated in the same
way Laconica is.

Personally, I'm on the fence as to whether or not this is a good idea,
but maybe it is. Time will tell.
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:14:52 -0500
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On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:19 PM, James John Eaton<address@hidden> wrote:
> can I make the assumption that Social will enable federation allowing
> many Social sites to communicate with each other?
> James
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I think this is very important. I'd like to point out these two projects:

http://noserub.com/
http://diso-project.org/

And where would we be without Wiki?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_social_networking




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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:20:28 -0400
From: Matt Lee <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: [Social-discuss] Federation
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On 08/24/2009 07:55 PM, Ted Smith wrote:

> The last I heard, Social was going to extend the Open MicroBlogging
> protocol for social networking, thus making Social federated in the same
> way Laconica is.

Not sure. But if someone writes it like that, then maybe.

Personally, I'd be in favor of making a seperate thing, the Libre Social
protocol or something.

> Personally, I'm on the fence as to whether or not this is a good idea,
> but maybe it is. Time will tell.

Extending OMB, or Social in general? If you're referring to Social, you
could *try* being a little more positive ;)

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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:10:45 +0200
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Matt Lee <address@hidden> wrote:

> On 08/24/2009 07:55 PM, Ted Smith wrote:
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> Personally, I'd be in favor of making a seperate thing, the Libre Social
> protocol or something.
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+1 in favour of Libre Social Protocol (could call it LiSP, though I think
not everyone will agree)
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:02:20 +0200
From: Melvin Carvalho <address@hidden>
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:10 AM, freepage-TEAM<address@hidden> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Matt Lee <address@hidden> wrote:
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>> On 08/24/2009 07:55 PM, Ted Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>> Personally, I'd be in favor of making a seperate thing, the Libre Social
>> protocol or something.
>
> +1 in favour of Libre Social Protocol (could call it LiSP, though I think
> not everyone will agree)

There's some work that's been done in this area, some items mentioned above.

Of course OMB is important but also, but in my time I've come accross:

- Distributed Social Networking Protocol DSNP - http://www.complang.org/dsnp/

A newish but well thought out take on building an distributed soc net
protocol.  Also a working prototype is being built.

- http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/

Retroshare I dont know that much about, but seems a secure client side protocol

- Helloworld - http://www.helloworld-network.org/cms/en/introduction/

By Markus Ackermann will be a pure java based distributed social
network and also firefox plug.  It is about 90% built from what I
understand, and is a technically strong architecture with high privacy
and security.

- The TIm Berners Lee 3.0 Architecture - http://esw.w3.org/topic/WriteWebOfData

Obviously very sem web oreiented, but with a bridge to current
technologies, much of the stuff is bleeding edge.  I personally favour
this approach, due to the sheer power and extensibility.  Though may
not be practical for this project, as some of the edge cases are not
yet ironed out, hopefully can provide some ideas.  There is also
related the SIOC project of course ( http://sioc-project.org/ )

I'm not suggesting any of this work is copied or used, but I hope this
provides some ideas for creating a protocol.


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Not quite sure how OMB does this, but I know it's possible in
laconi.ca -- though it need not be a complicated problem.  I would
suggest keeping identities as URI's and then for a relationship have a
secure message transmit along the lines of <A> knows <B>.

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