Re: [Swarm-Support] IDEs - who is using what

[Russell Standish]

On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 03:00:58PM -0400, Christopher J. Mackie wrote:
> Critical mass is a beautiful thing. I'm using Eclipse primarily now,
> because as more contributors pile on and support more compilers, I can
> use it for more and more types of projects -- and the more intensively I
> use it, the more productive I become. As much as I admire those who are
> developing their own editors for Swarm or RePast, I have to wonder if
> the effort wouldn't be better-invested in developing
> Swarm/RePast-specific extensions for a consensus platform like Eclipse?
> Of course, that begs the question, if you build it, in Eclipse or some
> competitive IDE, would they come?
> 
> So, I would like to ask a compound variation on the original question: 
> 
> 1. Do we think that the community could reach agreement on whether
> anything would be gained on balance, for Swarm or any other ABM/IBM
> framework, by encouraging greater standardization around a single IDE?
> (note: 'encouraging', not 'requiring', and let's defer the question of
> which IDE for a moment)

I'm sceptical. The main problem is that I have been burned too often
with Java thingies simply not working when installed on my Linux
computer that I generally turn off when something is programmed in
Java. However, if I really need something, then I will try it out. So
far I seem to have had about a 50% strike rate in Java - much less
than the 95% or so strike rate I've had with compiled code (C, C++ or
in the case of Swarm Objective C).

Having said that, I am seriously contemplating evaluating RePast
and/or MASON.

> 
> 2. Would there be further net benefits from encouraging standardization
> on an IDE across ABM/IBM frameworks and the ABM/IBM community more
> generally? 
> 

There is perhaps some benefit in standardising on an specification
language (UML perhaps) for agents that can be auto translated into
target implementation languages. One of my gripes at present is that I
wouldn't mind an automatic way of producing a Java version of my model
that could run in someone's browser with less demanding computational
inputs.

However this has to be done without resorting to the lowest common
denominator of the supported languages. And translation has to be
automatic, and hopefully two-way. Alas I fall into the category of
finding raw C++ code easier to read than UML diagrams.

Cheers

> 3. And if the answer to either of those questions is 'yes', would it
> make more sense to standardize on a minimalist framework (e.g.,
> something ABM-product-specific), on a heavyweight but modular framework
> like Eclipse, or on something else (e.g., emacs, ...)?
> 
> I'm particularly curious to know what others see as the pros and cons of
> any such standardization effort.
> 
> --Chris
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: address@hidden [mailto:address@hidden On
> Behalf Of David Camacho Trujillo
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:47 PM
> To: Swarm Support
> Subject: [Swarm-Support] IDE-for objective -C
> 
> Hi every one.
> 
> When I started to work with Swarm e-macs was for me the only objective
> -c IDE available, but I fund it not so friendly for beginners. Some time
> ago I found jGrasp which I found is one of the very few IDE for
> objective-c. 
> It is very friendly, and I found it very good for newcomers.
> (Therefore I change the title of this message, I hope it could be easy
> for a newcomer to find this information. Should I put it on the wiki?)
> It is relative very small program, but is has several fetures.
> I recommend you to take a look on it:  www.jgrasp.org 
> 
> "GRASP is a lightweight development environment, created specifically to
> provide automatic generation of software visualizations to improve the
> comprehensibility of software. jGRASP is implemented in Java, and runs
> on all platforms with a Java Virtual Machine (Java version 1.3 or
> higher). jGRASP produces Control Structure Diagrams (CSDs) for Java, C,
> C++, Objective-C, Ada, and VHDL; CPG diagrams for Java and Ada; UML
> diagrams for Java; and has an integrated debugger and workbench for
> Java."
> 
> Regards,
> David
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mensaje citado por: Steve Railsback <address@hidden>:
> 
> > Recently my collaborators and I have been starting to mess around with
> 
> > integrated development environments, especially Eclipse for doing Java
> 
> > Swarm and Repast. Eclipse certainly seems to help new programmers get 
> > started---after they figure out how to use Eclipse. There has been 
> > some discussion of IDEs here in the past, but not a lot.
> > 
> > So now I am curious:
> > 
> > -- What IDEs are people using? What do you like vs. dislike about
> them?
> > 
> > -- What is available for Objective-C Swarm? I understand there is a 
> > Mac IDE for Obj-C?
> > 
> > Let us know about your experience, especially if you have something 
> > that
> > 
> > works well...maybe we can add to the FAQ, etc.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Steve Railsback
> > 
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