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Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importan
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Eli Zaretskii |
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Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance) |
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Sat, 06 Jan 2024 15:05:42 +0200 |
> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2024 12:25:55 +0000
> From: Jean-Christophe Helary <jean.christophe.helary@traductaire-libre.org>
> Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>, Vincent Belaïche
> <vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr>, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Richard Stallman
> <rms@gnu.org>, help-texinfo@gnu.org
>
> > On Jan 6, 2024, at 20:38, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> >
> >> 1. I read a manual in English, there is a link with a node in English,
> >> it directs to the other English manual.
> >>
> >> It’s the expected behaviour.
> >>
> >> 2. I read a manual in French, there is a link with a node in English,
> >> it directs to the other English manual.
> >>
> >> If the other manual exists in French, it is not the proper behaviour.
>
> I forgot. If I understand texinfo properly, if the manual name is
> translated (and if the manual is translated) it is enough that the node
> name is the same as in the target manual, so either both untranslated,
> or both translated. So here, the node name only being left in English
> is not so relevant. What matters most is whether the manual name is
> translated or not. Am I correct?
Yes, I think so.
> >> 3. I read a manual in French, there is a link with a node in French, it
> >> directs to the other French manual.
> >>
> >> If the other manual exists in French, it is the proper behaviour.
> >>
> >> If it does not, we should have an error message that informs the reader
> >> that the manual is not translated.
> >
> > I think case 3 should fall back to the English manual instead of
> > erroring out. Having a manual without translation to an arbitrary
> > language will be the usual case for quite some time, so an error
> > message sounds like a harsh punishment to me.
>
> Sure, but the situation where that would happen is indeed when there
> are too few translated manuals to create a “monolingual ecosystem”
> where manuals all link to each other.
Which is where we are now, and will probably remain for at least a few
years to come.
> Supposedly, the user has installed the manual independently and knows
> that there will be limitations. Just like all web sites have default 404
> pages and some have redirection, the error does not have to read like
> a punishment.
It is an annoyance. gettext shows the original English message if
there's no translation, and I think we should try doing the same in
Info.
> Btw, does your comment indicate that you are currently not strongly
> opposed to translating the node names?
I'm not opposed, but I tend to think we shouldn't translate them until
Texinfo developers figure out how to handle these cases.
- @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance), Jean-Christophe Helary, 2024/01/06
- Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance), Jean-Christophe Helary, 2024/01/06
- Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance), Eli Zaretskii, 2024/01/06
- Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance), Jean-Christophe Helary, 2024/01/06
- Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance),
Eli Zaretskii <=
- Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance), Jean-Christophe Helary, 2024/01/06
- Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance), Eli Zaretskii, 2024/01/06
- Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance), Jean-Christophe Helary, 2024/01/06
- Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance), Eli Zaretskii, 2024/01/06
- Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance), Gavin Smith, 2024/01/06
- Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance), Eli Zaretskii, 2024/01/06
- Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance), Gavin Smith, 2024/01/06
- Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance), Jean-Christophe Helary, 2024/01/07
- Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance), Eli Zaretskii, 2024/01/07
- Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance), Gavin Smith, 2024/01/06